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		<title>Atheists More Generous Than Religious When Helping Others &#124; NY Daily News</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 17:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new study by the University of California, Berkeley, suggests athiests and agnostics are more willing to help other people than those who identify themselves as religious. The reason for this difference, the study found, is because atheists are driven by emotions, such as compassion, as opposed to religious people, who may be more influenced [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>A new study by the University of California, Berkeley, suggests athiests and agnostics are more willing to help other people than those who identify themselves as religious.</p>  <p>    The reason for this difference, the study found, is because atheists are driven by emotions, such as compassion, as opposed to religious people, who may be more influenced by “doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns.”</p>  <p>      “This research suggests that although less religious people tend to be less trusted in the U.S., when feeling compassionate, they may actually be more inclined to help their fellow citizens than more religious people,” study co-author and social psychologist <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Robb+Willer" title="Robb Willer">Robb Willer</a> said in a statement.</p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/atheists-generous-religious-helping-study-article-1.1072386?localLinksEnabled=false">nydailynews.com</a></div> <p>Surprise.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/atheists-more-generous-than-religious-when-he">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>How Was Jesus&#8217; Death a Sacrifice?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s one question I&#8217;ve never heard asked as part of an inquiry into Christianity: Why was Jesus&#8217; sacrifice considered to be so significant? Let&#8217;s examine some facts. He came here to die, and knew it was going to happen. He knew it wouldn&#8217;t be permanent. He isn&#8217;t dead. You keep using the word &#8220;sacrifice&#8221;. I [...]]]></description>
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<p>There&#8217;s one question I&#8217;ve never heard asked as part of an inquiry into Christianity: Why was Jesus&#8217; sacrifice considered to be so significant?</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s examine some facts.</p>

<ol>
<li>He came here to die, and knew it was going to happen.</li>
<li>He knew it wouldn&#8217;t be permanent.</li>
<li>He isn&#8217;t dead.</li>
</ol>

<p>You keep using the word &#8220;sacrifice&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think it means what you think it means.</p>

<p>So we have someone who&#8217;s basically a god, who knows he came here to die (but only for three days) after which he&#8217;d live forever.</p>

<p>You may be thinking that he was separated from God at the time, and that he was just a man, and that he felt pain and fear and disconnection.</p>

<p>But that&#8217;s not quite true. He knew he was going to live forever. He knew he was God. He knew &#8220;dying&#8221; wasn&#8217;t death at all, since he&#8217;s actually the creator of the universe and could simply regenerate himself, make 1,000 more universes if he wanted to, have 1,000 more sons if he wanted to, etc. Every single so-called obstacle was self-imposed.</p>

<p>&#8220;He gave his only begotten son.&#8221; Explain that to me. Explain how an omnipotent entity cannot simply create 10,000 more sons, or suns, or multiverses. He can change light to dark, change Coke to Pepsi, destroy the totality of existence as easily as he created it&#8211;whatever.</p>

<p>So the idea of him losing his only son, especially when he created the world in which it would happen, and then created the exact situation in which it would play out, all the while knowing exactly how it <em>would</em> play out, seems to not only take the sting out of it but reduces it to being ridiculous.</p>

<p>Remember that it was just him in the beginning. No universe, no planets, no Earth, no trees, no snakes, no evil&#8211;nothing. No people suffering. No people sad because they didn&#8217;t have happiness. Nothing. And into that world God injected all the pieces for this horrible existence to play out&#8211;exactly as he knew it would. That&#8217;s somewhere between careless and sickening, depending on how you look at it.</p>

<p>Some like to say that you can&#8217;t have good without evil. What kind of fourth-grader logic is that? There was nothing. No suffering. No people to suffer. Just God. It is not a moral act to create a species in which the vast majority of people who have ever lived will choose incorrectly and suffer an eternity of hell&#8211;when you have the option to 1) not create that world, or 2) create a different one where that&#8217;s not the case.</p>

<p>The free will argument (that he gave free will, so it&#8217;s on us) is beyond ludicrous. In the first case you can&#8217;t give someone true free will if you know all the variables that will affect their decisions. Not only do you know them, but you <em>assembled them</em>&#8211;atom by atom. If you go with, &#8220;He didn&#8217;t know every variable and every option&#8221;, then now he&#8217;s a horribly irresponsible and arguably evil entity that just gave a child a sawed off shotgun and an owners manual (but only some people got the manual, and only in a language that a small portion of the world speaks).</p>

<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s the setup. Then the claim is that he injects his <em>only son</em>  (which he should be able to make more of) into this mix, so that he can die, so he can rescue the people he hand-made (atom by atom), from nothing (he also invented the atoms). Only the only son won&#8217;t actually die, he&#8217;ll actually live forever.</p>

<p>Oh, and the son is actually him. They&#8217;re the same person. Yeah.</p>

<p>But let&#8217;s say it&#8217;s all true. Granted. Good. Let&#8217;s say Jesus was actually scared when they came for him, and of course nobody doubts that being crucified would be excruciatingly painful.</p>

<p>But he knew he&#8217;d be back. He knew he&#8217;d live forever.</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s compare that with countless common soldiers and parents that have chosen endless suffering and torture rather than give up a loved one. How about the numerous protesters who have lit themselves on fire to make a political point? And do you not think that dozens or hundreds of people have been literally been crucified (just like Jesus) because they failed to sell out a friend, a family member, or a lover?</p>

<p>How is Jesus&#8217; sacrifice considered so special when things like it have been done by thousands of regular humans who weren&#8217;t actually Gods who knew they&#8217;d live forever?</p>

<p>Precisely nothing about this story makes sense. It&#8217;s 2012. Grow the fuck up.</p>

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		<title>Tennessee legislature boldly sets the science clocks back 150 years &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 04:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basically, the bill will make sure teachers can discuss creationism in the classroom, as well as global warming denialism. The House version states, This bill prohibits the state board of education and any public elementary or secondary school governing authority, director of schools, school system administrator, or principal or administrator from prohibiting any teacher in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>Basically, the bill will make sure teachers can discuss creationism in the classroom, as well as global warming denialism. The House version states,</p>  <blockquote class="posterous_medium_quote"><p><em>This bill prohibits the state board of education and any public elementary or secondary school governing authority, director of schools, school system administrator, or principal or administrator from prohibiting any teacher in a public school system of this state from helping students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of existing scientific theories covered in the course being taught, such as evolution and global warming.</em></p></blockquote>  <p>That whole &#8220;strengths and weaknesses&#8221; is for all intent and purpose a lie; we’ve seen it many times before. Of course science has strengths and weaknesses, but what these people are looking to do is be able to say any kind of antiscience rhetoric in the classroom and not get called on it.  What the bill <em>should</em> call for is legislators to be tested on the strengths and weaknesses of their creationist beliefs that clearly contradict what’s known about the real world. Or, better yet, how what they’re trying to do violates the Constitution of the United States. </p>  <p>I would pay good money to sit and listen to <em>that</em>.</p>  <p>I also wonder how the Tennessee lawmakers would feel if, say, teachers used this potential law to teach about Islam, or astrology, or Wiccan beliefs. That would be interesting indeed.</p>  <p>If you want more, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2012/03/tennessee_sets_the_stage_for_a.php" target="_blank">Josh Rosenau has a great summary</a>, as does <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/20/tennessee-evolution-scopes-education_n_1368636.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Cara Santa Maria at the Huffington Post</a>, and, of course, <a href="http://ncse.com/" target="_blank">the NCSE</a>. It’s not clear to me that the Governor will sign this bill; Josh’s post has more on that. But even if he doesn’t, all those creationist climate change deniers will simply try again in some different way.</p>  <p>If you live in Tennessee, <a href="http://www.tn.gov/governor/contact.shtml" target="_blank">you should let the Governor know how you feel</a>, and right away. Otherwise…</p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/03/22/tennessee-legislature-boldly-sets-the-science-clocks-back-150-years/">blogs.discovermagazine.com</a></div> <p>Jesus.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/tennessee-legislature-boldly-sets-the-science">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Islam and the Future of Liberalism &#124; Sam Harris</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should people be free to draw cartoons of the Prophet? There must be at least 300 million Muslims spread over a hundred countries who think that a person should be put to death for doing so. (This is based on every poll assessing Muslim opinion I have seen over the past ten years.) Should Ayaan [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>Should people be free to draw cartoons of the Prophet? There must be at least 300 million Muslims spread over a hundred countries who think that a person should be put to death for doing so. (This is based on every poll assessing Muslim opinion I have seen over the past ten years.) Should Ayaan Hirsi Ali be killed for her apostasy? Millions of Muslim women would applaud her murder (to say nothing of Muslim men). These attitudes must change. The moral high ground here is clear, and we are standing on it. </p>    <p>Of course, millions of Muslims are more secular and are eager to help create a global civil society. But they are virtually silent because they have nothing to say that makes any sense within the framework of their faith. (They are also afraid of getting killed.) <i>That</i> is the problem we must keep in view. And it represents an undeniable difference between Islam and Christianity at this point in history. There are also many nefarious people, in both Europe and the U.S., who are eager to keep well-intentioned liberals confused on this point, equating any criticism of Islam with racism or “Islamophobia.” The fact that many critics of Islam are also racists, Christian fascists, or both does not make these apologists any less cynical or sinister. </p>    <p>The only way to know which way is up, ethically speaking, is to honestly assess what people want and what they believe.&nbsp; We must confront the stubborn reality of differing intentions: In every case it is essential to ask, “What would these people do if they had the power to do anything they wanted?”&nbsp;</p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/islam-and-the-future-of-liberalism">samharris.org</a></div> <p>I suggest reading the entire post.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/islam-and-the-future-of-liberalism-sam-harris">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Online Porn and the Bible Belt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[via youtube.com If their moral teachings were anything like they claim, the numbers for online porn should be around 10%, and the numbers for gay porn should be around 1%. But instead we see equal numbers for gay porn and higher numbers for online porn in general. Granted, this isn&#8217;t the most scientific of data [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <iframe allowfullscreen="true" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Bgs5A3tHMyc?wmode=transparent" frameborder="0" height="417" width="500"></iframe>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgs5A3tHMyc&amp;feature=g-u-u&amp;context=G28caec8FUAAAAAAAGAA">youtube.com</a></div> <p>If their moral teachings were anything like they claim, the numbers for online porn should be around 10%, and the numbers for gay porn should be around 1%. But instead we see equal numbers for gay porn and higher numbers for online porn in general. Granted, this isn&#8217;t the most scientific of data collection methods, but we should have seen some reflection of superior moral character and we didn&#8217;t.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/online-porn-and-the-bible-belt">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>The Fireplace Delusion &#124; Sam Harris</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that many nonbelievers have forgotten—or never knew—what it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made careers out of bemoaning [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>It seems to me that many nonbelievers have forgotten—or never knew—what it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made careers out of bemoaning the failure of religious people to adopt this same attitude. </p>    <p>However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that may give readers a sense of how religious people feel when their beliefs are criticized. It’s not a perfect analogy, as you will see, but the rigorous research I’ve conducted at dinner parties suggests that it is worth thinking about. We can call the phenomenon “the fireplace delusion.”</p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-fireplace-delusion">samharris.org</a></div> <p>This is a must.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/the-fireplace-delusion-sam-harris">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Mormons and Politics &#124; Salon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.”&nbsp; Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.&nbsp; He had predicted the emergence of&nbsp; “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.</p>  <p>Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world.&nbsp; But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. </p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/singleton/">salon.com</a></div> <p>That&#8217;s new to me. Every time I read something about Smith I&#8217;m stunned that he&#8217;s revered by anyone.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/mormons-and-politics-salon">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Noah&#8217;s Ark Theory Owned</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 04:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<title>Priests in the Holy Land Attacking Each Other</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 04:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a video of Christians attacking each other at Christmas. I have nothing more to add. Related ContentThe Wrong War on Christmas &#124; Conversations for Ministry LeadersChristians Sue For Right To Judge OthersWhy Attacking The Rich Means The End Of ProsperityFPS View of Being Killed by a MIG-29HappyNews.com: Good Timing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16347418" title="BBC News - Priests brawl in Bethlehem&#039;s Church of the Nativity">a video of Christians attacking each other</a> at Christmas. I have nothing more to add.</p>
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		<title>Religion 101 Final Exam &#124; Ebon Musings</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer? The little girl born in Egypt with two functioning heads The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark The superiority of the octopus eyeball to the human A Caribbean sunset via [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote">Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer?<p>  </p><ol type="A">  <li> The little girl born in Egypt with two functioning heads </li>  <li> The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark</li>  <li> The superiority of the octopus eyeball to the human</li>  <li> A Caribbean sunset</li></ol></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/guestessays/religion101.html">ebonmusings.org</a></div> <p>Take the whole test; it&#8217;s enlightening.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/religion-101-final-exam-ebon-musings">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>The Wrong War on Christmas &#124; Conversations for Ministry Leaders</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 12:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christians have always had a strained relationship with Saint Nick. Although his origins are rooted deeply in church lore, his association with the secularization of Christmas has made him a persona non grata in many churches and Christian communities. But many of us forget that Christmas itself is a holiday of dubious origin. For example, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>Christians have always had a strained relationship with Saint Nick. Although his origins are rooted deeply in church lore, his association with the secularization of Christmas has made him a persona non grata in many churches and Christian communities. But many of us forget that Christmas itself is a holiday of dubious origin. For example, the Puritans were stridently opposed to the celebration of Christmas. They could find no biblical support for the holiday, and they believed (correctly) that it was originally a pagan festival now masquerading as Christian one. This view was widely held in America throughout the 19th Century. In 1855, newspapers in New York reported that Methodist, Baptist, and Presbyterian churches would be closed on Christmas Day because “they do not accept the day as a Holy One.” And by the 1860s only 18 states officially recognized the holiday.</p>               <div>           <div><p>Christmas only gained acceptance among a majority of Protestant Christians when it gained wide acceptance by the American public in general. And that can be attributed to the rise of Santa Claus in the secular pantheon. Old Saint Nick became a marketing juggernaut for retailers who by the 1920s had embraced Christmas as the premier season for shopping. Church leaders no longer objected to Christmas on the grounds that it was a pagan holiday. Instead their concerns shifted to the ungodly materialism and indulgence of desire they saw being promoted in the name of Christ.</p>    <p>The New York Times conducted a survey of Christmas sermons in 1931 and reported a common theme: “the suggestion that Christmas could not survive if Christ were thrust into the background by materialism.” Another popular sermon of the period railed that Advent had become little more than a “profit-seeking period.”</p>    <p>Sermons about the pagan origins of Christmas or the danger of rampant materialism in Christ’s name are unlikely to be heard today. In recent years the dominant message heard from the Christian community during the holiday season has been precisely the opposite. Today, it seems many Christians are offended when unchecked materialism in December is not explicitly associated with Christ. The irony.</p></div></div></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.outofur.com/archives/2011/12/skye_jethani_th_4.html">outofur.com</a></div> <p></p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/the-wrong-war-on-christmas-conversations-for">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>An Evangelical Remembers His Friend Christopher Hitchens &#124; CNN</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We met in Billings, Montana. Hitch had once told me that Montana was the only state he had never been in. I decided to complete his tour of the contiguous United States and arranged for the two of us to meet there. Before the debate, a local television station sent a camera crew over to [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote class="posterous_long_quote">We met in Billings, Montana. Hitch had once told me that Montana was the only state he had never been in. I decided to complete his tour of the contiguous United States and arranged for the two of us to meet there. Before the debate, a local television station sent a camera crew over to interview us.

When he was asked what he thought of me, a Christian, and an evangelical at that, Hitch replied: “If everyone in the United States had the same qualities of loyalty and care and concern for others that Larry Taunton had, we&#8217;d be living in a much better society than we do.”

I was moved. Stunned, really. As we left, I told him that I really appreciated the gracious remark.

“I meant it and have been waiting for an opportunity to say it.”</blockquote>
<div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/my-take-an-evangelical-remembers-his-friend-hitchens/">religion.blogs.cnn.com</a></div><br /><br />
I was sent this by an evangelical friend of mine who said that the article reminded him of us. I am deeply touched by this, and it has spawned me to reflect, very close to Christmas no less, upon how much I cherish my many religious friends. Both personally and over the Internet I have been gifted with the friendships and acquaintances of many devout believers.<br /><br />

We disagree on the most important thing there is to disagree on, perhaps, but only on one level. On another level I agree with them so completely it&#8217;s as if we are brothers in the same cult. Namely, we&#8217;re fully committed to our attempts to try and help others learn the truth so that they will be happier. We share this. It binds us together. And we don&#8217;t compromise or expect the other to. We respect each other for this reason, and due to our conviction we remain one small belief away from adopting the other person&#8217;s perspective.<br /><br />

Rick, David, Evan, Naum, Jonathan &#8212; just to name a few, are all people I respect in this way and feel, um, blessed to have met in my life. As I write this I realize I am staying with another such friend who happens to be Muslim.<br /><br />

To have one such person send me this article (Jonathan) casts a warm light on this Christmas for me, and I want to simply say that I&#8217;m truly grateful to know you all. So to all my Religious friends and readers, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, whatever &#8212; thank you so much for your friendship and your dialog. Seriously.<br /><br />

(damn onions)

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		<title>Harris Gives The Single Best Summary of Why Religious Belief is Harmful</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the perhaps the best single pitch against religious belief that I&#8217;ve ever seen, and I plan on capturing it in argument form at some point, along with related gems from other greats over time. People who care about these things need to have these reasons available, and to be able to produce them [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the perhaps the best single pitch against religious belief that I&#8217;ve ever seen, and I plan on capturing it in argument form at some point, along with related gems from other greats over time.</p>

<p>People who care about these things need to have these reasons available, and to be able to produce them and expand on them when asked. Otherwise the objection to religion appears to be purely anger-driven and confrontational without purpose.</p>

<p>Secular people: please consider learning these arguments. Religious people: please consider understanding these arguments, and preparing your best reasons for opposing them so that we may move the conversation forward.</p>

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		<title>The Original Occupy Wall Street Protester</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-original-occupy-wall-street-protester</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<title>Marriage in the Bible</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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<p>All this from a text that&#8217;s supposed to be a standard of moral teachings. Unbelievable. It makes me just want to point and laugh at anyone who believes this crap.</p>

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		<title>OUr Constitution Was Secular On Purpose &#124; AlterNet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[But America&#8217;s Constitution is more than just a secular document; it&#8217;s literally godless. It doesn&#8217;t claim that the ideas it contains were the product of divine revelation. It states that governing power comes from the will of the people, not the commands of a deity. It doesn&#8217;t assert that God has specially blessed this nation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>But America&#8217;s Constitution is more than just a secular document; it&#8217;s literally godless. It doesn&#8217;t claim that the ideas it contains were the product of divine revelation. It states that governing power comes from the will of the people, not the commands of a deity. It doesn&#8217;t assert that God has specially blessed this nation or shown it special favor &#8212; in fact, it never mentions God at all. And it mentions religion in only two places, both of them negative mentions: in Article VI, which forbids any religious test for public office, and in the First Amendment, which forbids Congress from passing any law respecting an establishment of religion.</p>  <p>If America&#8217;s founders had meant to establish a Christian nation, this is where they would have said so. But they said no such thing. And this leads into a historical fact that the religious right would dearly love to forget: the godlessness of the Constitution was a point of major controversy in the debate over ratification. When it was drafted, the fact that it made no explicit mention of God or Christianity wasn&#8217;t a minor oversight. It was a major, deliberate omission that was obvious to all. Religious language was omnipresent in other legal documents and charters of the day, including the ones that inspired the Constitution in the first place.</p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/152564/conservatives_want_america_to_be_a_%22christian_nation%22_--_here's_what_that_would_actually_look_like/?page=entire">alternet.org</a></div> <p>Compelling.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/our-constitution-was-secular-on-purpose-alter">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Divorce Highest in the Bible Belt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Men and women in the South had higher rates of divorce in 2009 than in other regions of the country, 10.2 per 1,000 for men and 11.1 per 1,000 for women, according to a new report from the U.S. Census Bureau. The national divorce rate was 9.2 for men and 9.7 for women. via census.gov [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_medium_quote">Men and women in the South  had higher rates of divorce in 2009 than in other regions of the country, 10.2  per 1,000 for men and 11.1 per 1,000 for women, according to a new report from  the U.S. Census Bureau. The national divorce rate was 9.2 for men and 9.7 for  women.</blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/marital_status_living_arrangements/cb11-144.html">census.gov</a></div> <p>Yeah, the Bible Belt has the most divorce. That&#8217;s pure comedy. </p><p>With all the porn use, STDs, gay Republican preachers, and divorce, I&#8217;m going to have to say that the South needs some God in their lives.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/divorce-highest-in-the-bible-belt">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Is Rick Perry Smarter than a Fifth Grader? Not When it Comes to Science &#124; Michael Zimmerman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 05:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just this past Thursday in New Hampshire, in response to a child&#8217;s question, Perry described evolution as &#8220;a theory that&#8217;s out there&#8221; and one that&#8217;s &#8220;got some gaps in it.&#8221; His latest statement is remarkably similar to what his office wrote to a Texas voter in 2006 when questioned about intelligent design: &#8220;Recognizing that evolution [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote">Just this past Thursday in New Hampshire, in response to a child&#8217;s question, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/18/rick-perry-evolution-video_n_930802.html" target="_hplink">Perry described evolution</a> as &#8220;a theory that&#8217;s out there&#8221; and one that&#8217;s &#8220;got some gaps in it.&#8221;  His latest statement is remarkably similar to what his office<a href="http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_religious_right_watch_rick_perry#CREATIONISM" target="_hplink"> wrote to a Texas voter in 2006</a> when questioned about intelligent design: &#8220;Recognizing that evolution is a theory, and not claimed by anyone to be more than that, the governor believes it would be a disservice to our children to teach them only one theory on the origin of our existence without recognizing other scientific theories worth consideration.&#8221;</blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-zimmerman/rick-perry-evolution_b_931922.html">huffingtonpost.com</a></div> <p>Don&#8217;t believe in evolution? Unfit for office. It&#8217;s that simple. A mastery of elementary school science should definitely be a prerequisite.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/is-rick-perry-smarter-than-a-fifth-grader-not">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Arab Woman Takes On Muslim Cleric</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 18:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry">   <object height="400" width="500"><param name="movie" value="http://embed.break.com/315299" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://embed.break.com/315299" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" height="400" width="500"></embed></object>         <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.break.com/index/arab-woman-takes-on-muslim-cleric2.html">break.com</a></div> <p>The fact that this woman is probably in physical danger makes her point for her.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/arab-woman-takes-on-muslim-cleric">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>True Christian Economics</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[But to understand just how non-capitalistic Christianity is supposed to be we turn to the first chapter after the gospels, Acts, which describes the events of the early church. Chapters 2 and 4 state that all “the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_long_quote"><p>But to understand just how non-capitalistic Christianity is supposed to be we turn to the first chapter after the gospels, Acts, which describes the events of the early church. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2&amp;version=NIV" target="_blank">Chapters 2 and 4 state </a>that all “the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need… No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had…. There were no needy persons among them. From time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.” </p>  <p>Now folks, that’s outright socialism of the type described millennia later by Marx &#8211; who likely got the general idea from the gospels. </p>  <p>The pro-capitalist Christians who are aware of these passages wave them away even though it is the only explicit description of Christian economics in the Bible.</p></blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/from-jesus-socialism-to-capitalistic-christianity/2011/08/12/gIQAziaQBJ_blog.html">washingtonpost.com</a></div> <p></p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via email</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/true-christian-economics">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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