How Was Jesus’ Death a Sacrifice?
By Daniel Miessler on April 9th, 2012: Tagged as Atheism | Religion

There’s one question I’ve never heard asked as part of an inquiry into Christianity: Why was Jesus’ sacrifice considered to be so significant?
Let’s examine some facts.
- He came here to die, and knew it was going to happen.
- He knew it wouldn’t be permanent.
- He isn’t dead.
You keep using the word “sacrifice”. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
So we have someone who’s basically a god, who knows he came here to die (but only for three days) after which he’d live forever.
You may be thinking that he was separated from God at the time, and that he was just a man, and that he felt pain and fear and disconnection.
But that’s not quite true. He knew he was going to live forever. He knew he was God. He knew “dying” wasn’t death at all, since he’s actually the creator of the universe and could simply regenerate himself, make 1,000 more universes if he wanted to, have 1,000 more sons if he wanted to, etc. Every single so-called obstacle was self-imposed.
“He gave his only begotten son.” Explain that to me. Explain how an omnipotent entity cannot simply create 10,000 more sons, or suns, or multiverses. He can change light to dark, change Coke to Pepsi, destroy the totality of existence as easily as he created it–whatever.
So the idea of him losing his only son, especially when he created the world in which it would happen, and then created the exact situation in which it would play out, all the while knowing exactly how it would play out, seems to not only take the sting out of it but reduces it to being ridiculous.
Remember that it was just him in the beginning. No universe, no planets, no Earth, no trees, no snakes, no evil–nothing. No people suffering. No people sad because they didn’t have happiness. Nothing. And into that world God injected all the pieces for this horrible existence to play out–exactly as he knew it would. That’s somewhere between careless and sickening, depending on how you look at it.
Some like to say that you can’t have good without evil. What kind of fourth-grader logic is that? There was nothing. No suffering. No people to suffer. Just God. It is not a moral act to create a species in which the vast majority of people who have ever lived will choose incorrectly and suffer an eternity of hell–when you have the option to 1) not create that world, or 2) create a different one where that’s not the case.
The free will argument (that he gave free will, so it’s on us) is beyond ludicrous. In the first case you can’t give someone true free will if you know all the variables that will affect their decisions. Not only do you know them, but you assembled them–atom by atom. If you go with, “He didn’t know every variable and every option”, then now he’s a horribly irresponsible and arguably evil entity that just gave a child a sawed off shotgun and an owners manual (but only some people got the manual, and only in a language that a small portion of the world speaks).
Anyway, that’s the setup. Then the claim is that he injects his only son (which he should be able to make more of) into this mix, so that he can die, so he can rescue the people he hand-made (atom by atom), from nothing (he also invented the atoms). Only the only son won’t actually die, he’ll actually live forever.
Oh, and the son is actually him. They’re the same person. Yeah.
But let’s say it’s all true. Granted. Good. Let’s say Jesus was actually scared when they came for him, and of course nobody doubts that being crucified would be excruciatingly painful.
But he knew he’d be back. He knew he’d live forever.
Let’s compare that with countless common soldiers and parents that have chosen endless suffering and torture rather than give up a loved one. How about the numerous protesters who have lit themselves on fire to make a political point? And do you not think that dozens or hundreds of people have been literally been crucified (just like Jesus) because they failed to sell out a friend, a family member, or a lover?
How is Jesus’ sacrifice considered so special when things like it have been done by thousands of regular humans who weren’t actually Gods who knew they’d live forever?
Precisely nothing about this story makes sense. It’s 2012. Grow the fuck up.
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Tennessee legislature boldly sets the science clocks back 150 years | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine
By Daniel Miessler on March 22nd, 2012: Tagged as Religion | Science
Basically, the bill will make sure teachers can discuss creationism in the classroom, as well as global warming denialism. The House version states,
This bill prohibits the state board of education and any public elementary or secondary school governing authority, director of schools, school system administrator, or principal or administrator from prohibiting any teacher in a public school system of this state from helping students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of existing scientific theories covered in the course being taught, such as evolution and global warming.
That whole “strengths and weaknesses” is for all intent and purpose a lie; we’ve seen it many times before. Of course science has strengths and weaknesses, but what these people are looking to do is be able to say any kind of antiscience rhetoric in the classroom and not get called on it. What the bill should call for is legislators to be tested on the strengths and weaknesses of their creationist beliefs that clearly contradict what’s known about the real world. Or, better yet, how what they’re trying to do violates the Constitution of the United States.
I would pay good money to sit and listen to that.
I also wonder how the Tennessee lawmakers would feel if, say, teachers used this potential law to teach about Islam, or astrology, or Wiccan beliefs. That would be interesting indeed.
If you want more, Josh Rosenau has a great summary, as does Cara Santa Maria at the Huffington Post, and, of course, the NCSE. It’s not clear to me that the Governor will sign this bill; Josh’s post has more on that. But even if he doesn’t, all those creationist climate change deniers will simply try again in some different way.
If you live in Tennessee, you should let the Governor know how you feel, and right away. Otherwise…
Jesus.
Islam and the Future of Liberalism | Sam Harris
By Daniel Miessler on March 18th, 2012: Tagged as Religion
Should people be free to draw cartoons of the Prophet? There must be at least 300 million Muslims spread over a hundred countries who think that a person should be put to death for doing so. (This is based on every poll assessing Muslim opinion I have seen over the past ten years.) Should Ayaan Hirsi Ali be killed for her apostasy? Millions of Muslim women would applaud her murder (to say nothing of Muslim men). These attitudes must change. The moral high ground here is clear, and we are standing on it.
Of course, millions of Muslims are more secular and are eager to help create a global civil society. But they are virtually silent because they have nothing to say that makes any sense within the framework of their faith. (They are also afraid of getting killed.) That is the problem we must keep in view. And it represents an undeniable difference between Islam and Christianity at this point in history. There are also many nefarious people, in both Europe and the U.S., who are eager to keep well-intentioned liberals confused on this point, equating any criticism of Islam with racism or “Islamophobia.” The fact that many critics of Islam are also racists, Christian fascists, or both does not make these apologists any less cynical or sinister.
The only way to know which way is up, ethically speaking, is to honestly assess what people want and what they believe. We must confront the stubborn reality of differing intentions: In every case it is essential to ask, “What would these people do if they had the power to do anything they wanted?”
I suggest reading the entire post.
Online Porn and the Bible Belt
By Daniel Miessler on March 16th, 2012: Tagged as Religion
If their moral teachings were anything like they claim, the numbers for online porn should be around 10%, and the numbers for gay porn should be around 1%. But instead we see equal numbers for gay porn and higher numbers for online porn in general. Granted, this isn’t the most scientific of data collection methods, but we should have seen some reflection of superior moral character and we didn’t.
The Fireplace Delusion | Sam Harris
By Daniel Miessler on February 7th, 2012: Tagged as Religion
It seems to me that many nonbelievers have forgotten—or never knew—what it is like to suffer an unhappy collision with scientific rationality. We are open to good evidence and sound argument as a matter of principle, and are generally willing to follow wherever they may lead. Certain of us have made careers out of bemoaning the failure of religious people to adopt this same attitude.
However, I recently stumbled upon an example of secular intransigence that may give readers a sense of how religious people feel when their beliefs are criticized. It’s not a perfect analogy, as you will see, but the rigorous research I’ve conducted at dinner parties suggests that it is worth thinking about. We can call the phenomenon “the fireplace delusion.”
This is a must.
Mormons and Politics | Salon
By Daniel Miessler on January 29th, 2012: Tagged as Politics | Religion
Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.
Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob.
That’s new to me. Every time I read something about Smith I’m stunned that he’s revered by anyone.
Noah’s Ark Theory Owned
By Daniel Miessler on January 24th, 2012: Tagged as Humor | Religion
Priests in the Holy Land Attacking Each Other
By Daniel Miessler on December 28th, 2011: Tagged as Religion
This is a video of Christians attacking each other at Christmas. I have nothing more to add.
Religion 101 Final Exam | Ebon Musings
By Daniel Miessler on December 25th, 2011: Tagged as Religion
Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer?
- The little girl born in Egypt with two functioning heads
- The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark
- The superiority of the octopus eyeball to the human
- A Caribbean sunset
Take the whole test; it’s enlightening.