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		<title>Goal Oriented Pentesting –  Joshua &#8220;Jabra&#8221; Abraham</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Penetration testing is all about achieving goals and not about finding vulnerabilities. via spl0it.wordpress.com Another one who gets it. I wrote about this a while back in my post, Vulnerability Assessments vs. Penetration Tests. Many very smart people in infosec completely miss (my opinion) the point on this&#8211;including Johannes Ulrich, CTO of SANS. He thinks [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='posterous_autopost'><div class="posterous_bookmarklet_entry"> <blockquote class="posterous_short_quote">Penetration testing is all about achieving goals and not about finding vulnerabilities.</blockquote>    <div class="posterous_quote_citation">via <a href="http://spl0it.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/goal-oriented-pentesting-the-new-process-for-penetration-testing/">spl0it.wordpress.com</a></div> <p>Another one who gets it. I wrote about this a while back in my post, <a href="http://danielmiessler.com/blog/infosec-vulnerability-assessment-vs-penetration-test" title="Infosec: Vulnerability Assessment vs. Penetration Test | danielmiessler.com">Vulnerability Assessments vs. Penetration Tests</a>.  </p><p>Many very smart people in infosec completely miss (my opinion) the point on this&#8211;including Johannes Ulrich, CTO of SANS. He thinks that the definition of a *poor* pentest is going after a single goal and not finding *ALL* the vulnerabilities. </p><p>My point, and presumably Joshua Abraham would agree, is that there is already a name for a test where you enumerate vulnerabilities. It&#8217;s called a vulnerability assessment. </p><p>Very simple: If you&#8217;re making a list of problems, it&#8217;s a vulnerability assessment; if you&#8217;re trying to exploit whatever you find in order to accomplish a specific goal, it&#8217;s a pentest.</p></div>      <p style="font-size: 10px;">  <a href="http://posterous.com">Posted via web</a>   from <a href="http://posterous.danielmiessler.com/goal-oriented-pentesting-joshua-jabra-abraham">danielmiessler.com | posterous</a>  </p>  </div>
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		<title>Infosec: Vulnerability Assessment vs. Penetration Test</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This content has been updated and moved to its permanent location at the following URL: http://danielmiessler.com/writing/va_vs_pt/ Related ContentDiscussing the Difference Between a Vulnerability Assessment and a Penetration TestGoal Oriented Pentesting – Joshua &#8220;Jabra&#8221; AbrahamWeb Vulnerability Assessment vs. Web Penetration TestFree Will: The Necessary DelusionHow to Improve Your Writing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This content has been updated and moved to its permanent location at the following URL:</p>

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		<title>Hostfind: Another Lame Tool</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 03:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only this one is more lamerer. This will take a list of words from a list you provide and append them to the front of a provided domain to see if they are valid hostnames. The idea is that you can then cat the output into a master list of things to scan: hostfind.tar.bz2 hostfind.tar.bz2.sha1 [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only this one is more lamerer. This will take a list of words from a list you provide and append them to the front of a provided domain to see if they are valid hostnames.  The idea is that you can then <code>cat</code> the output into a master list of things to scan:</p>

<p><a href="http://dmiessler.com/files/hostfind.tar.bz2">hostfind.tar.bz2</a>
<a href="http://dmiessler.com/files/hostfind.tar.bz2.sha1.txt">hostfind.tar.bz2.sha1</a>
<a href="http://dmiessler.com/files/hostfind.tar.bz2.sha1.asc">hostfind.tar.bz2.sha1.asc</a></p>

<p>It took me nearly as long to package this thing as it did to write it. Unfortunately, the packaging is way more leet than the program itself &#8212; kind of lame considering there&#8217;s no README or anything&#8230;</p>

<p>I was working under the idea of, &#8220;if you make bzipped tarball of a 10 line shell script and sign it, it&#8217;s real software.&#8221; Turns out that&#8217;s not the case. I checked it again after I got done packaging it and it was still useless.</p>

<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m going to be incorporating this &#8220;module&#8221; into my bigger <code><abbr title="Meta Scan Tool">mst</abbr></code> project, which is actually halfway decent in terms of being a time-saver (unlike this hideous token of boredom).</p>

<p><small>[The really sad part is that I use blog posts like this one as an archive system so that I can find this stuff later. I have plenty of places to put it where it won't get lost, but being able to search for it on my site is just too convenient.] </small></p>
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		<title>Social Engineering: It&#8217;s Much Harder For Criminals</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other day I was in the middle of doing something very invasive at an organization during a penetration test and I was struck with a thought: &#8220;Why is this so easy?&#8221; The answer was immediately obvious: It was easy because I knew I could go to the CSO if I got caught. Were I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I was in the middle of doing something <em>very</em> invasive at an organization during a penetration test and I was struck with a thought: <em>&#8220;Why is this so easy?&#8221;</em> The answer was immediately obvious:</p>

<blockquote>It was easy because I knew I could go to the CSO if I got caught.</blockquote>

<p>Were I to be there illegally, i.e. without permission from top management, I probably would have had a much harder time pulling off the acting. I think pentesters should keep this in mind when they get the urge to claim that social engineering is easy.</p>
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		<title>Social Engineering In The South vs. The North</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m starting to get more opportunities to use social engineering as part of penetration testing jobs, and after a recent success in the Southeastern United States I began pondering something: Is it easier or harder to do social engineering in the South? When you first think about it your gut reaction is that it&#8217;s easier, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to get more opportunities to use social engineering as part of penetration testing jobs, and after a recent success in the Southeastern United States I began pondering something:</p>

<p><em>Is it easier or harder to do social engineering in the South?</em></p>

<p>When you first think about it your gut reaction is that it&#8217;s easier, but it turns out that it&#8217;s all based on what type of attack is being performed. Getting information over the phone and such is most likely much easier, but attempting to physically access a building and roam around might actually be <em>harder</em>. Here&#8217;s why.</p>

<blockquote>Southerners are very personable people. They want to know who&#8217;s working near them, who just got fired, who the new person is, etc. They don&#8217;t often work in close proximity to someone without having made contact with them in some way, shape, or form. This often manifests as extreme kindness, i.e. inviting new acquaintances to eat with their family, etc.</blockquote>

<p>For a pentester trying to go unnoticed, this presents a problem. As I was on one of these engagements earlier this week I wondered if it would be easier in say, the Northeast, where, as I understand, people commonly don&#8217;t care at all who the people are around them.</p>

<p>But then I realized that while Southerners are more likely to be familiar with those around them, they&#8217;re also probably less likely to challenge someone who&#8217;s not supposed to be somewhere. I ran into this during this job as well; someone found me in their server room and didn&#8217;t say anything, most likely for fear of being rude.</p>

<p>Anyone have any additional anecdotal evidence to offer?</p>
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