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The Decline of Reddit, Hacker News, and the United States

August 19th, 2010 | Culture

There is one pattern that we must learn to identify and guard against, and it goes like this:

  1. A small group of smart and progressive types set out to create something brilliant. They build a system that produces excellence, as long as the original concepts continue to be endorsed and nurtured by those who participate.
  2. The experiment is a success, and the community grows exponentially. Others see the genius in the system and they both emulate it as well as show up to participate. This is mostly a good thing, because people who show up at this stage are like-minded and simply add numbers to something that’s good.
  3. Fast forward. Now, it becomes obvious to the rest of the world that this system 1) makes it easy to influence the system, and 2) pays off well when you’re a member.
  4. The late comers proceed to poison the ecosystem by injecting low-quality and/or dissimilar content into the stream. Much of this is now coming from those who don’t know about or embrace the original ideas that went into the creation of the community; they are there for the benefits alone.
  5. Many of the smarter, more progressive types will pick up and look for/create another community where they don’t have to be constantly assailed by low quality. They leave in massive numbers, heading for somewhere more like what they helped build.

See: Digg, Reddit, Hacker News, and the United States.

This failure occurs for two primary reasons:

  1. Creative people are often progressive compared to the general population, and as such they tend to resist classifying people and behaviors in ways that could be offensive. Because of these liberal tendencies hey resist the idea of setting a standard for quality, or even of explicitly identifying the things that make their system great for fear that it may imply someone else’s things are less great.
  2. Having failed to properly identify what makes them special and successful, they are therefore unable to guard those attributes from erosion. So when x, y, or z takes place that seems to be a quality issue, they are unable to discern whether it goes against their core identity or whether it’s just another example of diverse input.

The result is always the same: If there is no standard, the community will suffer. The same traits that made the community great in the first place (progressive thought) is what prevents them from enforcing behavior that will maintain that community. In sum, we’re fated to continue this cycle of creating great new things only to dilute them into banality.

The United States is now full of people who haven’t read a book since high school, think Jesus is coming back soon, don’t believe in evolution, and don’t know the name of their congressional representatives. And Hacker News is becoming more like Reddit every day.

Hopefully we’ll figure out this simple concept one day: 1) take note of what made something successful, 2) don’t be afraid to refer to those attributes as an identity, and to defend them. ::

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  • http://quadhome.com Scott Robinson

    Is this a joke?

    The US has always been full of people who that description.

    And Hacker News isn’t, and won’t ever, be like Reddit because the sites are fundamentally different. (HN doesn’t have sub-sites, for one.)

    Growing communities lose their focus. They are tautologically more broad. That’s for better and for worse for the participants.

  • igf1

    This, makes me miss our conversations… I think about this in depth every even day. I change my prospective every odd day. What your’e describing is deeper than just the instance of a given source of community corruption, it’s abstract (again, software systems design as it pertains to all systems, including philosophy and human behavior) and applies to all social systems (ala MySpace)

    What your pointing out are two connected, but different occurrences. The first is known as the cycle of creative destruction. Where every iteration addresses a fundamental problem with the previous. Free markets decide which ones propagate and which ones meet a dead end. (sound familiar?) It goes on until the bar is set high enough that the barrier to entry is insurmountable by small groups of pioneers… Or software patents gives one player with deep pockets a whipping stick. Then the momentum slows until the next macro cycle of innovation creates new possibilities and the old guard becomes obsolete.

    The second is very disturbing, and looks a lot like the lead-in to the Dark Ages. It’s what happens when a generation of people, who don’t know how to discern truth from hyperbole, meets with information overload (web 1.0) coupled with opinion overload(web 2.0). They have no idea who to listen to… so they choose someones message that they identify with. Unfortunately, that usually results in a regression of humanity, as seen in Alexandria. The majority is of the herd mentality… there’s safety in numbers and outside information is designed to destroy that safety through dispersion of opinion.

    My theory anyway… but I have no herd, just a small pack, with lots of sheepish clothing :-)

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