Comments on: The Constitution Party is Scary: Why Did Ron Paul Support Them? http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them grep understanding Fri, 25 May 2012 02:15:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Daniel Golightly http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-258485 Daniel Golightly Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:34:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-258485 <p>How close have your personal dealings been?  That would be a question worth asking, to my mind, since too close would hint toward bias and not close enough and you just might not know.  Part of being a politician is in holding your true feelings at bay until your in a position to put them to use.  </p> <p>Ron Paul flip flops on several key issues and I have ALWAYS found that Christians are willing to go so far as to peg a person in the same way that they would a "worthless criminal" in any instance in which the religious beliefs are brought to question.  Having dealt with any number of different religious groups in my life living from California, Oregon area all the way out to Idaho/Utah, Kansas (east and west). Christians are the almost (almost) always the worst snakes in the grass.  I once met one who smiled as he told me I was going to hell and that hey, it was no skin off his back if I went to hell and that it's okay, God will forgive me, but I'm going to hell.  And all I told him was that I supported the idea that people shouldn't involve themselves in choosing whether or not what they believe should be a requirement of all people (in an argument about discrimination (violent-discrimination to be exact) against gays and how I thought it was wrong to not label that a hate crime.</p> <p>All of that out of the way, I don't know how others here feel but I've always felt that if you give money to a person in direct correlation with any specific group, then you are supporting that group.  Hence, Ron Paul obviously supports that group through his donations to prominently (and financially) related members of that group.</p> How close have your personal dealings been?  That would be a question worth asking, to my mind, since too close would hint toward bias and not close enough and you just might not know.  Part of being a politician is in holding your true feelings at bay until your in a position to put them to use.  

Ron Paul flip flops on several key issues and I have ALWAYS found that Christians are willing to go so far as to peg a person in the same way that they would a “worthless criminal” in any instance in which the religious beliefs are brought to question.  Having dealt with any number of different religious groups in my life living from California, Oregon area all the way out to Idaho/Utah, Kansas (east and west). Christians are the almost (almost) always the worst snakes in the grass.  I once met one who smiled as he told me I was going to hell and that hey, it was no skin off his back if I went to hell and that it’s okay, God will forgive me, but I’m going to hell.  And all I told him was that I supported the idea that people shouldn’t involve themselves in choosing whether or not what they believe should be a requirement of all people (in an argument about discrimination (violent-discrimination to be exact) against gays and how I thought it was wrong to not label that a hate crime.

All of that out of the way, I don’t know how others here feel but I’ve always felt that if you give money to a person in direct correlation with any specific group, then you are supporting that group.  Hence, Ron Paul obviously supports that group through his donations to prominently (and financially) related members of that group.

]]> By: Daniel Golightly http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-258484 Daniel Golightly Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:25:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-258484 <p>That's just ignorant. And by that I only mean, "then why does it say separation of church and state and freedom of religion?"</p> That’s just ignorant. And by that I only mean, “then why does it say separation of church and state and freedom of religion?”

]]> By: richmanwisco http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-216701 richmanwisco Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:40:40 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-216701 <p>Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?</p> Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?

]]> By: richmanwisco http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253026 richmanwisco Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:40:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253026 <p>Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?</p> Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?

]]> By: richmanwisco http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253027 richmanwisco Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:40:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253027 <p>Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?</p> Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?

]]> By: richmanwisco http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253028 richmanwisco Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:40:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253028 <p>Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?</p> Could it just be that Ron Paul is just another wingnut with discredited views?

]]> By: Clay http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-214613 Clay Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:49:52 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-214613 <p>Part of the problem here is we have strayed so far from the intent of the Constitution and the dreams of our fore fathers that when we here their intent it sounds radical. Our Government is so out of control our fore fathers would not recognized this country any longer. One should step back and re-read the Deceleration of Independence. It might scare you to find out how far our country has slipped backwards in the freedom and liberty departments. We need a major shift to get the ship back on track or she is going down with all the patriots... Wasting your vote on a Dem or Rep is not the answer...it is the problem.</p> Part of the problem here is we have strayed so far from the intent of the Constitution and the dreams of our fore fathers that when we here their intent it sounds radical. Our Government is so out of control our fore fathers would not recognized this country any longer. One should step back and re-read the Deceleration of Independence. It might scare you to find out how far our country has slipped backwards in the freedom and liberty departments. We need a major shift to get the ship back on track or she is going down with all the patriots… Wasting your vote on a Dem or Rep is not the answer…it is the problem.

]]> By: Clay http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253024 Clay Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:49:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253024 <p>Part of the problem here is we have strayed so far from the intent of the Constitution and the dreams of our fore fathers that when we here their intent it sounds radical. Our Government is so out of control our fore fathers would not recognized this country any longer. One should step back and re-read the Deceleration of Independence. It might scare you to find out how far our country has slipped backwards in the freedom and liberty departments. We need a major shift to get the ship back on track or she is going down with all the patriots... Wasting your vote on a Dem or Rep is not the answer...it is the problem.</p> Part of the problem here is we have strayed so far from the intent of the Constitution and the dreams of our fore fathers that when we here their intent it sounds radical. Our Government is so out of control our fore fathers would not recognized this country any longer. One should step back and re-read the Deceleration of Independence. It might scare you to find out how far our country has slipped backwards in the freedom and liberty departments. We need a major shift to get the ship back on track or she is going down with all the patriots… Wasting your vote on a Dem or Rep is not the answer…it is the problem.

]]> By: Clay http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253025 Clay Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:49:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253025 <p>Part of the problem here is we have strayed so far from the intent of the Constitution and the dreams of our fore fathers that when we here their intent it sounds radical. Our Government is so out of control our fore fathers would not recognized this country any longer. One should step back and re-read the Deceleration of Independence. It might scare you to find out how far our country has slipped backwards in the freedom and liberty departments. We need a major shift to get the ship back on track or she is going down with all the patriots... Wasting your vote on a Dem or Rep is not the answer...it is the problem.</p> Part of the problem here is we have strayed so far from the intent of the Constitution and the dreams of our fore fathers that when we here their intent it sounds radical. Our Government is so out of control our fore fathers would not recognized this country any longer. One should step back and re-read the Deceleration of Independence. It might scare you to find out how far our country has slipped backwards in the freedom and liberty departments. We need a major shift to get the ship back on track or she is going down with all the patriots… Wasting your vote on a Dem or Rep is not the answer…it is the problem.

]]> By: PAFreedom http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-213948 PAFreedom Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:46:47 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-213948 <p>Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.</p> Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.

]]> By: PAFreedom http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253021 PAFreedom Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:46:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253021 <p>Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.</p> Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.

]]> By: PAFreedom http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253022 PAFreedom Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:46:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253022 <p>Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.</p> Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.

]]> By: PAFreedom http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253023 PAFreedom Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:46:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253023 <p>Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.</p> Being a former member of Jerry Falwell should not be held against him given his consistent critical critique of the Religious Right. Paul endorsed the man, not the party. Paul is a life long member of the Libertarian Party. Go Dr. Baldwin.

]]> By: randy http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-213872 randy Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:31:43 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-213872 <p>“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” - Sinclair Lewis</p> <p>How fitting!</p> “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis

How fitting!

]]> By: randy http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253020 randy Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:31:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253020 <p>“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” - Sinclair Lewis</p> <p>How fitting!</p> “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” – Sinclair Lewis

How fitting!

]]> By: Jonathan http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-213851 Jonathan Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:55:26 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-213851 <p>The intent of the Founder's was never to remove the church (or religion) from the state, but to remove the state from the church.</p> The intent of the Founder’s was never to remove the church (or religion) from the state, but to remove the state from the church.

]]> By: Jonathan http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253018 Jonathan Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:55:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253018 <p>The intent of the Founder's was never to remove the church (or religion) from the state, but to remove the state from the church.</p> The intent of the Founder’s was never to remove the church (or religion) from the state, but to remove the state from the church.

]]> By: Jonathan http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253019 Jonathan Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:55:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253019 <p>The intent of the Founder's was never to remove the church (or religion) from the state, but to remove the state from the church.</p> The intent of the Founder’s was never to remove the church (or religion) from the state, but to remove the state from the church.

]]> By: NH http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-213667 NH Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:08:22 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-213667 <p>Dont' be an idiot. Ron Paul is all about the Constitution.</p> <p>You are going to find that 'christians' are the ones most willing to preserve your rights even if you don't agree with religion.</p> <p>They have always been great here in NH.</p> <p>And you have never heard Ron speak in religious terms and neither have I in my many personal dealings with him.</p> <p>There is just not basis for your fear.</p> Dont’ be an idiot. Ron Paul is all about the Constitution.

You are going to find that ‘christians’ are the ones most willing to preserve your rights even if you don’t agree with religion.

They have always been great here in NH.

And you have never heard Ron speak in religious terms and neither have I in my many personal dealings with him.

There is just not basis for your fear.

]]> By: NH http://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary-why-did-ron-paul-support-them/comment-page-1#comment-253016 NH Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:08:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-constitution-party-is-scary#comment-253016 <p>Dont' be an idiot. Ron Paul is all about the Constitution.</p> <p>You are going to find that 'christians' are the ones most willing to preserve your rights even if you don't agree with religion.</p> <p>They have always been great here in NH.</p> <p>And you have never heard Ron speak in religious terms and neither have I in my many personal dealings with him.</p> <p>There is just not basis for your fear.</p> Dont’ be an idiot. Ron Paul is all about the Constitution.

You are going to find that ‘christians’ are the ones most willing to preserve your rights even if you don’t agree with religion.

They have always been great here in NH.

And you have never heard Ron speak in religious terms and neither have I in my many personal dealings with him.

There is just not basis for your fear.

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