The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence

By Daniel Miessler on May 13th, 2007: Tagged as Atheism | History | Mythology | Religion
  • sion

    Craig – I believe you missed my point. My point about “belief” was misinterpreted by you to mean “all belief” whereas in fact I mean “religious belief”.

    Science is a belief system, but is underlined (generally) by the proposition that it will alter consistently to absorb new facts, even if major parts of the original edifice are shown to be false.

    Religion on the other hand (although this does vary between religious systems) takes one of two paths: 1. Denial of hard facts, often coupled with edicts to prevent the encompassment of new material e.g. God wrote the Bible/Torah/Koran, the Bible says God created man from earth, therefore any evidence to the contrary is false. 2. Inconsistent encompassment of new knowledge, or perversion of the knowledge to fit the “religious facts”. e.g. Dinosaur bones were created by God to test the faith of his followers.

  • sion

    Craig – I believe you missed my point. My point about “belief” was misinterpreted by you to mean “all belief” whereas in fact I mean “religious belief”.

    Science is a belief system, but is underlined (generally) by the proposition that it will alter consistently to absorb new facts, even if major parts of the original edifice are shown to be false.

    Religion on the other hand (although this does vary between religious systems) takes one of two paths: 1. Denial of hard facts, often coupled with edicts to prevent the encompassment of new material e.g. God wrote the Bible/Torah/Koran, the Bible says God created man from earth, therefore any evidence to the contrary is false. 2. Inconsistent encompassment of new knowledge, or perversion of the knowledge to fit the “religious facts”. e.g. Dinosaur bones were created by God to test the faith of his followers.

  • Craig S Wright

    Sion, I see that there are also levels of belief in religion as well. There is the extreme view where people assume that the text is the works of a diety personally, and there is also the other where it is a guide to interpretation from individuals.

    There are also scientists who have a belief in a diety, but do not believe that the text of the bible for instance is word for word as what occured, rather, and to take from J Cohen, “lies we tell children”. In this view, the words could be interpreted as a simple way to explain to a simple people an idea.

    I do not agree with the creationist idea, and there are holes in the theory, but it comes to extremes on either side.

    Regards, Craig

  • Craig S Wright

    Sion, I see that there are also levels of belief in religion as well. There is the extreme view where people assume that the text is the works of a diety personally, and there is also the other where it is a guide to interpretation from individuals.

    There are also scientists who have a belief in a diety, but do not believe that the text of the bible for instance is word for word as what occured, rather, and to take from J Cohen, “lies we tell children”. In this view, the words could be interpreted as a simple way to explain to a simple people an idea.

    I do not agree with the creationist idea, and there are holes in the theory, but it comes to extremes on either side.

    Regards, Craig

  • http://www.tylerbrenner.com/ Tyler Brenner

    This is great.

  • http://www.tylerbrenner.com Tyler Brenner

    This is great.

  • Sarah

    Hello guys!

    Im really not that good in expressing my thoughts but let me just share this one thing I know. Believing in Christ and in the Bible is certainly a personal choice for it requires a personal experience of meeting the Saviour “face-to-face” in order for one to truly accept Him and His love and to correspondingly believe the things written in the Bible. I have met Christ and experience His wonderful love and goodness everyday in my life and ever since that day I believed in Him, I could not account for anything wonderful that has happened to me but His goodness. And in my life and in other people who also believed in Him, I haven’t seen anything harmful or upleasant because we chose to accept Him as our Saviour.

    My prayer is that you would also get to meet Christ and experience His love. Not just in this present time but also in the future when everything man has done will be judged.

    Sarah

  • Sarah

    Hello guys!

    Im really not that good in expressing my thoughts but let me just share this one thing I know. Believing in Christ and in the Bible is certainly a personal choice for it requires a personal experience of meeting the Saviour “face-to-face” in order for one to truly accept Him and His love and to correspondingly believe the things written in the Bible. I have met Christ and experience His wonderful love and goodness everyday in my life and ever since that day I believed in Him, I could not account for anything wonderful that has happened to me but His goodness. And in my life and in other people who also believed in Him, I haven’t seen anything harmful or upleasant because we chose to accept Him as our Saviour.

    My prayer is that you would also get to meet Christ and experience His love. Not just in this present time but also in the future when everything man has done will be judged.

    Sarah

  • http://youlovejoe.blogspot.com/ joe

    SARAH/….. WHAT?? you may not have seen anything harmful or unpleasant for worshipping christ. but che che check out how we got there baby! ….

  • http://youlovejoe.blogspot.com joe

    SARAH/….. WHAT?? you may not have seen anything harmful or unpleasant for worshipping christ. but che che check out how we got there baby! ….

  • john

    Religions and their beliefs are mostly based on what part of the world you were born in. If you were born in a western culture chances are you were only taught christianity. Born in the middle east you would be defending the Koran. Born in Israel you would be still waiting for the saviour.

    Break it down even more, if you were catholic you looked at protestants as a lower level of christianity. Its all sillyness.

    I was born into the catholic faith and I was rushed off to be baptized within a few months. I didn’t really have a choice. Like most religions your families doctrinate you into there belief structure and thus religion is more or less a family tradition.

    When I became old enough to make my own decisions in life and look at most belief structures in the world and those that don’t have any, I can honestly say most generalational believers do so out of fear of offending their families.

  • john

    Religions and their beliefs are mostly based on what part of the world you were born in. If you were born in a western culture chances are you were only taught christianity. Born in the middle east you would be defending the Koran. Born in Israel you would be still waiting for the saviour.

    Break it down even more, if you were catholic you looked at protestants as a lower level of christianity. Its all sillyness.

    I was born into the catholic faith and I was rushed off to be baptized within a few months. I didn’t really have a choice. Like most religions your families doctrinate you into there belief structure and thus religion is more or less a family tradition.

    When I became old enough to make my own decisions in life and look at most belief structures in the world and those that don’t have any, I can honestly say most generalational believers do so out of fear of offending their families.

  • David

    Just about 2 cents worth here. There are some very interesting things being said here, a little educational as far as history, a little cynical, a little humor. It’s all very simple, really…

    Man is fault ridden. Man can not do anything at all perfectly. Man has never created anything from nothing. The bible is written by man thus full of mistakes and faults. God may have inspired it, but man screwed it up as man it always apt to do. Religion is a creation of man. All religions are faulted from their conception.

    God is without fault. Yes the earth is older than 5 – 10 thousand years. Proven by science, again a mans creation.

    Man has become so arrogant as a result of advancement in intelligence and science. But, man can still not say absolutely how anything was created from nothing.

    Man simply does not have the capacity to “know” these things nad never will. We will destroy ourselves long before the time we need to advance to a level of understanding to “know” all of the answers.

    I submit that there is God. Not the same God that we have created but the God that created us and all things. The more arrogant man becomes, the more we want to create a God that fits neatly into our perception of what is.

    This is ultimately going to lead to our demise. Once we reach the point, many, many years from now, that we feel we cxan explain everything and in our minds, as small as they are, believe we have reached God equality, we will face the one true God.

    Seems to me that you are just not getting it. You will open your mind to an athiest’s beliefs, suppported by theory, yet you will not open your mind to the true meaning and very teachings of God? The stories in the Bible may in fact be stories that are similar to other stories not included in the Bible from other cultures and times. Does this negate the meanings of the stories? The core truths? Funny how man will do far more work to disprove the existance of God than to do the simplest thing and “know” that God exists. Lay religion aside, there is still an inherent seed in man that looks up and searches for God.

    I offer this simple statement: I would much rather believe in God and find out I was wrong when I cease to exist in this horrible place filled with man’s evil than to not believe in God and find out I was wrong in the same way. Wouldn’t you?

  • David

    Just about 2 cents worth here. There are some very interesting things being said here, a little educational as far as history, a little cynical, a little humor. It’s all very simple, really…

    Man is fault ridden. Man can not do anything at all perfectly. Man has never created anything from nothing. The bible is written by man thus full of mistakes and faults. God may have inspired it, but man screwed it up as man it always apt to do. Religion is a creation of man. All religions are faulted from their conception.

    God is without fault. Yes the earth is older than 5 – 10 thousand years. Proven by science, again a mans creation.

    Man has become so arrogant as a result of advancement in intelligence and science. But, man can still not say absolutely how anything was created from nothing.

    Man simply does not have the capacity to “know” these things nad never will. We will destroy ourselves long before the time we need to advance to a level of understanding to “know” all of the answers.

    I submit that there is God. Not the same God that we have created but the God that created us and all things. The more arrogant man becomes, the more we want to create a God that fits neatly into our perception of what is.

    This is ultimately going to lead to our demise. Once we reach the point, many, many years from now, that we feel we cxan explain everything and in our minds, as small as they are, believe we have reached God equality, we will face the one true God.

    Seems to me that you are just not getting it. You will open your mind to an athiest’s beliefs, suppported by theory, yet you will not open your mind to the true meaning and very teachings of God? The stories in the Bible may in fact be stories that are similar to other stories not included in the Bible from other cultures and times. Does this negate the meanings of the stories? The core truths? Funny how man will do far more work to disprove the existance of God than to do the simplest thing and “know” that God exists. Lay religion aside, there is still an inherent seed in man that looks up and searches for God.

    I offer this simple statement: I would much rather believe in God and find out I was wrong when I cease to exist in this horrible place filled with man’s evil than to not believe in God and find out I was wrong in the same way. Wouldn’t you?

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    @David

    You said: I would much rather believe in God and find out I was wrong when I cease to exist in this horrible place filled with man’s evil than to not believe in God and find out I was wrong in the same way. Wouldn’t you?

    I find it a sad existence to hedge one’s bets in such an obviously fear-based approach to living. You’d think the same way about Zeus or Allah if you grew up in another time or place. The simple fact is that you’ve been indoctrinated to fear something, and you’d rather die fearing and believing that doctrine than face the punishment it promises for not doing so.

    This doesn’t make you a bad person. I know many great people who are in the exact same position. I don’t blame you for the damage that’s been done to you, but I do pity you for not being free.

    And by the way, the argument that you just put forth is hundreds of years old. It’s called Pascal’s wager. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager

  • http://dmiessler.com Daniel Miessler

    @David

    You said: I would much rather believe in God and find out I was wrong when I cease to exist in this horrible place filled with man’s evil than to not believe in God and find out I was wrong in the same way. Wouldn’t you?

    I find it a sad existence to hedge one’s bets in such an obviously fear-based approach to living. You’d think the same way about Zeus or Allah if you grew up in another time or place. The simple fact is that you’ve been indoctrinated to fear something, and you’d rather die fearing and believing that doctrine than face the punishment it promises for not doing so.

    This doesn’t make you a bad person. I know many great people who are in the exact same position. I don’t blame you for the damage that’s been done to you, but I do pity you for not being free.

    And by the way, the argument that you just put forth is hundreds of years old. It’s called Pascal’s wager. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager

  • David

    O.K. Thanks for the link… Not at all claiming the argument as mine, just presenting it. (I would think that the argument is even older than that)

    I am really not in fear of God. I anxiously await the moment I am in God’s presence, I have questions! I do not like this plane, world, or anyway you wish to describe it. Too much evil, too much hatred, too much ugly. The problem is, it will never be any better. The free you stated is a state of mind. The evil I am stating is evident in everyday life throughout the world. The freedom you state is for the individual. I agree, “you” can be free from all the evil that exists, but only in “your” mind. The many are still affected by evil.I am affected by evil. The hungry, the poor, the hated, the exterminated…

    I do not believe that the punishment written, as it is, even exists. As I understand it, the ten commandments are the only laws we have to follow. These simple 10 rules can even be found in other ancient writings. Did Moses steal some of them? Maybe from the Egyptions? Entirely possible. Remember, man “wrote” and “recorded by writing” the bible. So? Who is to say that God did not inspire the Egyptians to write these same rules? They blew it due to free will and so God chose to the “Sea People” or the Hebrews in order to bring his creation, man, back to Him. (or so it was written by man)

    Yes I would believe the way I was taught had I been born in another land or time. So what? The God I know exists on a spiritual level and sees our true selves, not these petty little differences between us in this world and on this plane of existance. Not the different Gods we have created. I do not have the “amswers”, but neither do you or anyone else. As stated above, man does not have the capacity to know all things. I hold sorrow for those that feel that this is all there is. I feel sorrow for those that believe that when these bodies fail and cease to live that the entity and true core of that person that was, was nothing more than a few chemistry equasions.

    The spiritual level on which God exists and we will eventually return to is just that. An energy that man can not explain as there are no words. It is there that the evil will not exist. Evil will not burn in fire as fire is physical, but eveil will simply not exist.

    I feel that the punishment you speak of will be more of a removal from the center of what God truly is. The more spiritual and faithful to the ten commandments one is, the closer to the center one will reside.

    Even in different faiths, within those faiths the followers are to believe that their God is The God. O.K. Still the ten commandments exist. Worded different, but they exist.

    The angst I feel from time to time toward God due to my lack of understanding is only a testiment to my belief in God. The energy put forth by those trying to prove God does not exist is also a testimony in their core belief that God Does exist.

    You simply can not get around the fact that man bases all of his beliefs and faith on what he has gathered in knowledge from his experiences. This is a very limited amount of knowledge. Now put that into perspective. What are we on the physical plane, compared to the star creating gases captured on photos by the hubble telescope? Less than a speck, that’s what. So how can we presume to know enough about anything to assume the posture of arguing that God, by our weak definitions, does not exist?

  • David

    O.K. Thanks for the link… Not at all claiming the argument as mine, just presenting it. (I would think that the argument is even older than that)

    I am really not in fear of God. I anxiously await the moment I am in God’s presence, I have questions! I do not like this plane, world, or anyway you wish to describe it. Too much evil, too much hatred, too much ugly. The problem is, it will never be any better. The free you stated is a state of mind. The evil I am stating is evident in everyday life throughout the world. The freedom you state is for the individual. I agree, “you” can be free from all the evil that exists, but only in “your” mind. The many are still affected by evil.I am affected by evil. The hungry, the poor, the hated, the exterminated…

    I do not believe that the punishment written, as it is, even exists. As I understand it, the ten commandments are the only laws we have to follow. These simple 10 rules can even be found in other ancient writings. Did Moses steal some of them? Maybe from the Egyptions? Entirely possible. Remember, man “wrote” and “recorded by writing” the bible. So? Who is to say that God did not inspire the Egyptians to write these same rules? They blew it due to free will and so God chose to the “Sea People” or the Hebrews in order to bring his creation, man, back to Him. (or so it was written by man)

    Yes I would believe the way I was taught had I been born in another land or time. So what? The God I know exists on a spiritual level and sees our true selves, not these petty little differences between us in this world and on this plane of existance. Not the different Gods we have created. I do not have the “amswers”, but neither do you or anyone else. As stated above, man does not have the capacity to know all things. I hold sorrow for those that feel that this is all there is. I feel sorrow for those that believe that when these bodies fail and cease to live that the entity and true core of that person that was, was nothing more than a few chemistry equasions.

    The spiritual level on which God exists and we will eventually return to is just that. An energy that man can not explain as there are no words. It is there that the evil will not exist. Evil will not burn in fire as fire is physical, but eveil will simply not exist.

    I feel that the punishment you speak of will be more of a removal from the center of what God truly is. The more spiritual and faithful to the ten commandments one is, the closer to the center one will reside.

    Even in different faiths, within those faiths the followers are to believe that their God is The God. O.K. Still the ten commandments exist. Worded different, but they exist.

    The angst I feel from time to time toward God due to my lack of understanding is only a testiment to my belief in God. The energy put forth by those trying to prove God does not exist is also a testimony in their core belief that God Does exist.

    You simply can not get around the fact that man bases all of his beliefs and faith on what he has gathered in knowledge from his experiences. This is a very limited amount of knowledge. Now put that into perspective. What are we on the physical plane, compared to the star creating gases captured on photos by the hubble telescope? Less than a speck, that’s what. So how can we presume to know enough about anything to assume the posture of arguing that God, by our weak definitions, does not exist?

  • Fully Skeptic

    Hello all. I am glad I found this site. All my life, I have been questioning the bible, and the existence of god. I have read all the comments, and I find them very interesting. To Sarah, don’t believe everything society throws at you. Don’t close your mind to science. Many scientists throughout the course of history have proven many things that don’t coincide with the bible. As a child, I was forced to go to church every Sunday. I dreaded it. I did enjoy the singing though. Being a singer and guitarist, that was right up my alley. Been singing and playing since a little boy. Anyhoo, I only realized later in life that everything that was thrown at me was either misleading, hypocritical, or based on lies. We are told the tooth fairy, Santa, and the Easter bunny are all real until later in life. I read a comment on here earlier that talked about these fables and I thought it was brilliant. We are not ready for the truth. Especially ufo’s. imagine what that would do to our society. Religious zealots would go ape-shit. As a lad, I belonged to a church that “spoke in tongues”. I found this to be very confusing. I was led to kneel in front of the pastor and the church members. (please save the perverted jokes) I was told to speak in tongues. They would not let me go until I did. They told me to let it go and let if flow. I tried. As a confused young boy, and wanting to please the churchgoers, I tried. So I faked it. I just mimicked what they sounded like when they spoke in tongues. It was all mumbo-jumbo. I made it all up. Then when I was done, the pastor “translated” it. PLEASE! My eyes started to open. I was horrified. I have met bible thumpers who don’t believe in dinosaurs because god didn’t “create” them. So all the fossils we find are man-made? Or apemade? Please!!!!!! It was Adam and Lilith, not Adam and Eve. Lilith was his first wife, and she wanted to be independent, so she took off. Sound familiar to any fellas here? lol. In all seriousness, the “serpent” in Genesis was most likely taken from the Mesopotamian stories. Because their version states that god was a snake like goddess. To David: science is man’s creation? No, it proves how old earth is, it proves how the earth was formed. If god created earth for living beings, why not on our other planets? if there was an “all loving god”, why would he kill first borns? Thou shalt not kill? Does that “commandment” ring a bell? Flooding the earth and all the citizens of it died a horrible death by drowning? All loving god? IMO the commandments were made up by society to “keep us in line”. I am also skeptical about ET’s, but that Nasa photo with the object passing in front of the rod has really been intriguing. If the existence of aliens does come to fruition, how will you explain that? Don’t even start on the what if god comes back to earth and proves himself, because as a man of faith that you are David, you shouldn’t even question it being a man of faith and all. Jesus was already supposed to make his “return”. Where is he? Seeing is believeing. I will eat my hat, pants, and sweat stained shirt if he shows. I also like the comment about how there were many dieties before J.C. who was a saviour of man, but the stories never stuck, until this oneof J.C. Anyone can write anything. I’ll start my own religion. I will open churches and force feed poeple there really is a Santa. But he lives at the South Pole. Him living at the North Pole is fiction. hehehe

    • H King

      become a song writer and express yourself with your guitar, then become famous!

  • Fully Skeptic

    Hello all. I am glad I found this site. All my life, I have been questioning the bible, and the existence of god. I have read all the comments, and I find them very interesting. To Sarah, don’t believe everything society throws at you. Don’t close your mind to science. Many scientists throughout the course of history have proven many things that don’t coincide with the bible. As a child, I was forced to go to church every Sunday. I dreaded it. I did enjoy the singing though. Being a singer and guitarist, that was right up my alley. Been singing and playing since a little boy. Anyhoo, I only realized later in life that everything that was thrown at me was either misleading, hypocritical, or based on lies. We are told the tooth fairy, Santa, and the Easter bunny are all real until later in life. I read a comment on here earlier that talked about these fables and I thought it was brilliant. We are not ready for the truth. Especially ufo’s. imagine what that would do to our society. Religious zealots would go ape-shit. As a lad, I belonged to a church that “spoke in tongues”. I found this to be very confusing. I was led to kneel in front of the pastor and the church members. (please save the perverted jokes) I was told to speak in tongues. They would not let me go until I did. They told me to let it go and let if flow. I tried. As a confused young boy, and wanting to please the churchgoers, I tried. So I faked it. I just mimicked what they sounded like when they spoke in tongues. It was all mumbo-jumbo. I made it all up. Then when I was done, the pastor “translated” it. PLEASE! My eyes started to open. I was horrified. I have met bible thumpers who don’t believe in dinosaurs because god didn’t “create” them. So all the fossils we find are man-made? Or apemade? Please!!!!!! It was Adam and Lilith, not Adam and Eve. Lilith was his first wife, and she wanted to be independent, so she took off. Sound familiar to any fellas here? lol. In all seriousness, the “serpent” in Genesis was most likely taken from the Mesopotamian stories. Because their version states that god was a snake like goddess. To David: science is man’s creation? No, it proves how old earth is, it proves how the earth was formed. If god created earth for living beings, why not on our other planets? if there was an “all loving god”, why would he kill first borns? Thou shalt not kill? Does that “commandment” ring a bell? Flooding the earth and all the citizens of it died a horrible death by drowning? All loving god? IMO the commandments were made up by society to “keep us in line”. I am also skeptical about ET’s, but that Nasa photo with the object passing in front of the rod has really been intriguing. If the existence of aliens does come to fruition, how will you explain that? Don’t even start on the what if god comes back to earth and proves himself, because as a man of faith that you are David, you shouldn’t even question it being a man of faith and all. Jesus was already supposed to make his “return”. Where is he? Seeing is believeing. I will eat my hat, pants, and sweat stained shirt if he shows. I also like the comment about how there were many dieties before J.C. who was a saviour of man, but the stories never stuck, until this oneof J.C. Anyone can write anything. I’ll start my own religion. I will open churches and force feed poeple there really is a Santa. But he lives at the South Pole. Him living at the North Pole is fiction. hehehe

  • richard

    Interesting: One of the 10 commandments is though shalt not kill, yet God sets a very poor example (of his own rules) in that he wants to drown all men, women and children in a great flood. Thats not a loving God.

  • richard

    Interesting: One of the 10 commandments is though shalt not kill, yet God sets a very poor example (of his own rules) in that he wants to drown all men, women and children in a great flood. Thats not a loving God.

  • Guest1234

    The Bible is Fiction: A Collection of Evidence….. the only question i have is what is your evidence? in all logic and rational reasoning how can u even say this is evidence. Im trying to find ACTUAL proof that the bible is fiction…. but the harding i look for real evidence the more times im proved wrong…. there just is none.

    • dONT Worry

      where is your actual proof that the bible is fact? Here is your proof that the bible is fiction: Science. People can’t live until they’re 900. How did all the worlds animals get onto noahs shitty boat when a lot of them can’t swim ?

      So in the article it says Noah’s god felt guilty for trying to drown the world. I thought god doesn’t commit sin. When he does as the article states, who does he confess to ?

      Religion is bullshit and ridiculous stone-age mentality of maintaining and controling society. Get stoned and look into a telescope then think your little comedy childrens fiction book. I personally find the bible to be the funniest comedy book i’ve ever read. It’s completely filled with bee-ess.

      U fuking idiots.

  • H King

    I went to church and spoke to a pastor and anyway he refused to talk to his followers in his church, the spiritual part of the bible, Now I know why! It’s just a little too personal

  • Anon

    I would love for you to cite your sources for both sections. that way I can see your research and draw the same conclusions. I know for a fact that Christianity incorporated the local religions from areas conquered by the Roman Empire when Christianity was made the official religion after Constantine died, but until I see where you found the facts about the similarities between your two subjects, I must consider your work as invalid, and hearsay. Otherwise, interesting article.

  • Anonymous

    This Is Ridiculous If We Picked Up This Book At A Garage Sale Without Ever Having Read If Of Course We’d Think It Was Bullshit. If It Was The Old Testament It Might It Would Be One Of The Most Heinous Things To Use To Teach Your Children.

  • Gesus

    I’d say God exist but religion is full of lies… also science proves that the bible is only fictional… evolution or a man and woman procreate, then those offsprings has sex to make more babies then so on (unless eve was a super baby making machine lol)… incest anyone? anyways people say what they will thats just my 2 cents.


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