I’m not sure what you find so offensive. Let me try and restate.

1. Religion — especially done poorly — teaches morality from the wrong angle, urging an external influence rather than an internal.
2. This often causes poor behavior in adult life when it comes to life’s vices because the morality is not natural or sustained. It tends to fluctuate widely.
3. This is visible in crime statistics and other moral indicators such as teen pregnancy, with “Republican”, i.e. religious, states doing worse than democratic states.

I’ve seen many data sets on this, and I’ve included some in my post. I”m promoting one theory for why those data sets exist. The theory isn’t my own, and I think it’s more a matter of obviousness than controversy for many who are familiar with the data and the cultures involved.

But again, that’s open for debate. Perhaps you think the data is wrong? Or perhaps you feel there’s another explanation for the data? Either way, let’s discuss it. But “bigoted” I don’t think fits well here. You’re intolerant of wife beating and child porn lifestyles, right? Well, I’m intolerant of those things too, and of teen pregnancy and crime. So I guess we’re both bigots.

I have MANY friends (and family members) that are very rational and moral people while being religious and I don’t rail against their lifestyles. It’s a particular incarnation of religion (unfortunately the predominant one, however) that I’m addressing here. And if the data shows a correlation in the data, and I’m proposing a theory that points to causation, I don’t see how that should be cause for offense.

Let’s talk about it.

Cheers,

-Daniel

I’m not sure what you find so offensive. Let me try and restate.

1. Religion — especially done poorly — teaches morality from the wrong angle, urging an external influence rather than an internal.
2. This often causes poor behavior in adult life when it comes to life’s vices because the morality is not natural or sustained. It tends to fluctuate widely.
3. This is visible in crime statistics and other moral indicators such as teen pregnancy, with “Republican”, i.e. religious, states doing worse than democratic states.

I’ve seen many data sets on this, and I’ve included some in my post. I”m promoting one theory for why those data sets exist. The theory isn’t my own, and I think it’s more a matter of obviousness than controversy for many who are familiar with the data and the cultures involved.

But again, that’s open for debate. Perhaps you think the data is wrong? Or perhaps you feel there’s another explanation for the data? Either way, let’s discuss it. But “bigoted” I don’t think fits well here. You’re intolerant of wife beating and child porn lifestyles, right? Well, I’m intolerant of those things too, and of teen pregnancy and crime. So I guess we’re both bigots.

I have MANY friends (and family members) that are very rational and moral people while being religious and I don’t rail against their lifestyles. It’s a particular incarnation of religion (unfortunately the predominant one, however) that I’m addressing here. And if the data shows a correlation in the data, and I’m proposing a theory that points to causation, I don’t see how that should be cause for offense.

Let’s talk about it.

Cheers,

-Daniel

Wow. That is almost all I can get out about this post. Blaming false morality, belief in God, and living in the South for more divorces, teen pregnancy, etc. Jumping from your sources to your conclusion is a logic leap of immense proportions that deserves congratulations.

Really, Daniel. I think that is the harshest and most bigoted statement I have heard you make. Come on man.

Michael

Wow. That is almost all I can get out about this post. Blaming false morality, belief in God, and living in the South for more divorces, teen pregnancy, etc. Jumping from your sources to your conclusion is a logic leap of immense proportions that deserves congratulations.

Really, Daniel. I think that is the harshest and most bigoted statement I have heard you make. Come on man.

Michael

As a result of all this, I would question everything the author said and every conclusion he came to as totally biased or just not true based on biased and faulty information supporting his conclusions.

Concerning Obbap’s comment, I also wouldn’t go anywhere near an American woman as relationship material, not because I think all American women are born the same but because they are all brought up under basically the same set of government rules of engagement and are perpetually brainwashed, along with their parents, by the same predominantly liberal media to be afraid of, disrespect, and not give a damn about us men as though we are just an annoyance to take advantage of if it’s not possible to do away with all of us completely.

As a result of all this, I would question everything the author said and every conclusion he came to as totally biased or just not true based on biased and faulty information supporting his conclusions.

Concerning Obbap’s comment, I also wouldn’t go anywhere near an American woman as relationship material, not because I think all American women are born the same but because they are all brought up under basically the same set of government rules of engagement and are perpetually brainwashed, along with their parents, by the same predominantly liberal media to be afraid of, disrespect, and not give a damn about us men as though we are just an annoyance to take advantage of if it’s not possible to do away with all of us completely.

In turn, as long as Slave fulfilled her role properly, Master always ensured Slave was treated well and Master always considered Slave’s wants, needs and desires when making decisions regarding the pair.

Sadly, the brainwashed indoctrinated-by-our-culture-at-large will instantly resort to knee-jerk rhetoric to lambast the Master/Slave relationship. Oh well, the mass of humanity functions with simple minds devoid of mental training. Mere simpletons.

I have never engaged in the Master/Slave combo, opting instead to just shun the AMerican female; emotion-laden creatures generally devoid of rational logical thinking abilites. Generally, it is likely best for the American male to shun America’s spoiled self-centered “Princesses” and select, instead, a female from outside the USA where the culture doesn’t convince females that their mere existence is worthy of adulation and their only needed contribution to a male is to spread their thighs just often enough to keep their “meal ticket” around to serve their wants, needs and desires.

In turn, as long as Slave fulfilled her role properly, Master always ensured Slave was treated well and Master always considered Slave’s wants, needs and desires when making decisions regarding the pair.

Sadly, the brainwashed indoctrinated-by-our-culture-at-large will instantly resort to knee-jerk rhetoric to lambast the Master/Slave relationship. Oh well, the mass of humanity functions with simple minds devoid of mental training. Mere simpletons.

I have never engaged in the Master/Slave combo, opting instead to just shun the AMerican female; emotion-laden creatures generally devoid of rational logical thinking abilites. Generally, it is likely best for the American male to shun America’s spoiled self-centered “Princesses” and select, instead, a female from outside the USA where the culture doesn’t convince females that their mere existence is worthy of adulation and their only needed contribution to a male is to spread their thighs just often enough to keep their “meal ticket” around to serve their wants, needs and desires.

One is fear and fantasy-based, the other is based on improving life for humans.