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	<title>Comments on: Silly Question: Why Aren&#8217;t Russians Considered Asians?</title>
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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-243743</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since when, as larry mentioned, russian is not a country? and why you exaggerate the presence of china? aren&#039;t you chinese?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when, as larry mentioned, russian is not a country? and why you exaggerate the presence of china? aren&#39;t you chinese?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-243742</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey looser, delete this post. i am russian and i am proud by my country. so who are you to discuss it, if you are not russian?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey looser, delete this post. i am russian and i am proud by my country. so who are you to discuss it, if you are not russian?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl M</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150912</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and .. yes .. I know you began with &quot;Silly question...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and .. yes .. I know you began with &#8220;Silly question&#8230;&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl M</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150911</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But it&#039;s essentially the same.  You know what YOU mean by the term &quot;Asians.&quot;  The fact is that others mean essentially the same thing.  You don&#039;t question the use of the word &quot;American&quot; for a small subset of those living in the Americas.  Why would you question the use of the word &quot;Asian&quot; for a subset of those living in Asia?  I know you weren&#039;t stating that it should be used one way or the other.  I just see the two words (and their usages as it turns out) as essentially the same.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s essentially the same.  You know what YOU mean by the term &#8220;Asians.&#8221;  The fact is that others mean essentially the same thing.  You don&#8217;t question the use of the word &#8220;American&#8221; for a small subset of those living in the Americas.  Why would you question the use of the word &#8220;Asian&#8221; for a subset of those living in Asia?  I know you weren&#8217;t stating that it should be used one way or the other.  I just see the two words (and their usages as it turns out) as essentially the same.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Daniel Miessler</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150840</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carl,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There isn&#039;t much confusion about the term &quot;Americans&quot;. People in Argentina call us Americans too, and they&#039;re in one of the &quot;Americas&quot;. So I don&#039;t agree that it&#039;s ironic to use the term Americans when asking this question. There&#039;s no contention regarding that term, and everyone knows which continent &quot;Americans&quot; reside on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All I was doing was asking why things were the way they are, not stating that one standard or another should be applied.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>

<p>There isn&#8217;t much confusion about the term &#8220;Americans&#8221;. People in Argentina call us Americans too, and they&#8217;re in one of the &#8220;Americas&#8221;. So I don&#8217;t agree that it&#8217;s ironic to use the term Americans when asking this question. There&#8217;s no contention regarding that term, and everyone knows which continent &#8220;Americans&#8221; reside on.</p>

<p>All I was doing was asking why things were the way they are, not stating that one standard or another should be applied.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl M</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150839</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In any case, the fact is that &quot;Asians&quot; doesn&#039;t refer (only) to continental origin any more than &quot;Americans&quot; does.  It&#039;s essentially the same thing -- usage overpowering word origin.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The irony I referred to earlier was really Daniel answering his own question with his own usage of the word &quot;Americans.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case, the fact is that &#8220;Asians&#8221; doesn&#8217;t refer (only) to continental origin any more than &#8220;Americans&#8221; does.  It&#8217;s essentially the same thing &#8212; usage overpowering word origin.</p>

<p>The irony I referred to earlier was really Daniel answering his own question with his own usage of the word &#8220;Americans.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl M</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150452</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Adrian  Interesting.  Now, are there any non-US sites that call us Americans?  As for the US vs USA .. we were the USA at least through the 1980 winter olympics.  I&#039;m not sure when US became more widely used, but it&#039;s just laziness.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This isn&#039;t to say that US is entirely new.  Indeed the Dollar sign began as an overlapping US ..
this became an S with two vertical lines through it (basically the bottom part of the U disappeared) and now there&#039;s only ONE vertical line (laziness again).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;--&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I still find it amusing (in an ironic sort of way) that the word Americans was used in this post.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian  Interesting.  Now, are there any non-US sites that call us Americans?  As for the US vs USA .. we were the USA at least through the 1980 winter olympics.  I&#8217;m not sure when US became more widely used, but it&#8217;s just laziness.  </p>

<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that US is entirely new.  Indeed the Dollar sign began as an overlapping US ..
this became an S with two vertical lines through it (basically the bottom part of the U disappeared) and now there&#8217;s only ONE vertical line (laziness again).</p>

<p>&#8211;</p>

<p>Anyway, I still find it amusing (in an ironic sort of way) that the word Americans was used in this post.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adrian Bool</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150448</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Bool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carl, check out the Nationality entry at,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On this subject, why does the USA refer to itself as the United States (or US) rather than the United States of America (or USA)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From the above link,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;conventional long form: United States of America 
conventional short form: United States 
abbreviation: US or USA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is it just for brevity or is there something else to it?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;aid&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, check out the Nationality entry at,</p>

<p><a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html</a></p>

<p>On this subject, why does the USA refer to itself as the United States (or US) rather than the United States of America (or USA)?</p>

<p>From the above link,</p>

<p>conventional long form: United States of America 
conventional short form: United States 
abbreviation: US or USA</p>

<p>Is it just for brevity or is there something else to it?</p>

<p>aid</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Carl M</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150435</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Am I the only one who finds it amusing that in a post about labeling people from various continents, you used the word Americans to refer to US citizens?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who finds it amusing that in a post about labeling people from various continents, you used the word Americans to refer to US citizens?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Nelson</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150189</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m going to armchair quarterback this, but I think I know why you posed the original question.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Russia is as much of a unified &#039;country&#039; as the United States. A federal republic of semi-autonomous subnational entities.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Russia&#039;s population distribution is heavily concentrated in the European part of Russia. &lt;a href=&quot;http://russia.usaid.gov/img/map/population.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Map.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Moscow, the largest city, is extremely wealthy as compared to the rest of the country. Something like 90% of the wealth in all of Russia exists in Moscow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wealth and population concentrated in the European part of Russia means that the only media or people we Westerners come in to contact with are usually from that area.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;There &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; Asian-looking Russians. A good customer of mine a few years ago was this short, attractive, middle aged woman. Visually, she appeared to be very Chinese. When she spoke, however, it was with a thick Russian accent. After knowing her for some time, she shared her story, which involved emigrating from Vladivostok (Russia&#039;s largest Pacific city) to California.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;The division between the European and Asian continents is largely artificial (some even claim it has more to do with racism/culturalism versus plate tectonics). The Eurasian Landmass is the more appropriate term, according to the geologist I know.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to armchair quarterback this, but I think I know why you posed the original question.</p>

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<li><p>Russia is as much of a unified &#8216;country&#8217; as the United States. A federal republic of semi-autonomous subnational entities.</p></li>
<li><p>Russia&#8217;s population distribution is heavily concentrated in the European part of Russia. <a href="http://russia.usaid.gov/img/map/population.gif" rel="nofollow">Map.</a></p></li>
<li><p>Moscow, the largest city, is extremely wealthy as compared to the rest of the country. Something like 90% of the wealth in all of Russia exists in Moscow.</p></li>
<li><p>Wealth and population concentrated in the European part of Russia means that the only media or people we Westerners come in to contact with are usually from that area.</p></li>
<li><p>There <i>are</i> Asian-looking Russians. A good customer of mine a few years ago was this short, attractive, middle aged woman. Visually, she appeared to be very Chinese. When she spoke, however, it was with a thick Russian accent. After knowing her for some time, she shared her story, which involved emigrating from Vladivostok (Russia&#8217;s largest Pacific city) to California.</p></li>
<li><p>The division between the European and Asian continents is largely artificial (some even claim it has more to do with racism/culturalism versus plate tectonics). The Eurasian Landmass is the more appropriate term, according to the geologist I know.</p></li>
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		<title>By: Zealot</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/silly-question-why-arent-russians-considered-asians/comment-page-1#comment-150092</link>
		<dc:creator>Zealot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two other reasons:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Russia is so large that it&#039;s considered it&#039;s own entity... almost outside of Asia.  It also has a different climate and geography.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) When you say &quot;Asian&quot;, most people think of China, Japan, Korea, etc. -- countries in The Orient.  Russians don&#039;t fit that mold (which is also why a lot of Americans think Indians are Middle Eastern).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two other reasons:</p>

<p>1) Russia is so large that it&#8217;s considered it&#8217;s own entity&#8230; almost outside of Asia.  It also has a different climate and geography.</p>

<p>2) When you say &#8220;Asian&#8221;, most people think of China, Japan, Korea, etc. &#8212; countries in The Orient.  Russians don&#8217;t fit that mold (which is also why a lot of Americans think Indians are Middle Eastern).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: elpres</title>
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		<dc:creator>elpres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The reason is that a large part of Russia&#039;s population lives in its european part, to the west ot the Ural mountains. This has historical reasons, as this map shows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kievan&lt;em&gt;Rus&lt;/em&gt;en.jpg , where you see the area that was occupied by Russia in 11th century, which is also where ethnic Russians originally come from. The whole eastern part was colonized centuries later and was then (and still is) inhabited by other ethnic groups that actually do look like Asians. So, when today someone speaks about &quot;Russians&quot;, they usually mean one ethnic group out of quite a lot that make up the population of today&#039;s Russia. And this one group is indeed historically from Europe.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason is that a large part of Russia&#8217;s population lives in its european part, to the west ot the Ural mountains. This has historical reasons, as this map shows: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kievan" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kievan</a><em>Rus</em>en.jpg , where you see the area that was occupied by Russia in 11th century, which is also where ethnic Russians originally come from. The whole eastern part was colonized centuries later and was then (and still is) inhabited by other ethnic groups that actually do look like Asians. So, when today someone speaks about &#8220;Russians&#8221;, they usually mean one ethnic group out of quite a lot that make up the population of today&#8217;s Russia. And this one group is indeed historically from Europe.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adrian Bool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Bool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It used to be a federation in the soviet days - USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.  Russia is indeed a normal country these days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although Russia may have a large land mass in Asia, what proportion of the population are from the European part?  I think it is quite large, hence us considering Russians European - as great many are!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps if you live in China or Korea you may consider Russians Asian.  My wife is Korean; I&#039;ve just asked her and she considers &#039;Russians&#039; as Asian - even the Russian family that lives in our building who are from St Petersberg - who look completely European.  For me, as a Brit, they&#039;re just plain European.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess for a country of that size you just can&#039;t label people with a continent in that way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m a person, not a continent!!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;aid&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be a federation in the soviet days &#8211; USSR, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.  Russia is indeed a normal country these days.</p>

<p>Although Russia may have a large land mass in Asia, what proportion of the population are from the European part?  I think it is quite large, hence us considering Russians European &#8211; as great many are!</p>

<p>Perhaps if you live in China or Korea you may consider Russians Asian.  My wife is Korean; I&#8217;ve just asked her and she considers &#8216;Russians&#8217; as Asian &#8211; even the Russian family that lives in our building who are from St Petersberg &#8211; who look completely European.  For me, as a Brit, they&#8217;re just plain European.</p>

<p>I guess for a country of that size you just can&#8217;t label people with a continent in that way.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m a person, not a continent!!!</p>

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		<title>By: Daniel Miessler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My understanding is that it&#039;s more of a federation than a single entity.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that it&#8217;s more of a federation than a single entity.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since when is Russia &quot;not a country&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1102275.stm&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when is Russia &#8220;not a country&#8221;?</p>

<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1102275.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/1102275.stm</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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