Security And Obscurity: It’s Not What You Think

By Daniel Miessler on August 20th, 2005: Tagged as Computers | Philosophy | Security
  • Carl M

    That reminds me of a short story I read once (years ago now). A character in a story had the ability to get to know someone’s personality that he could somehow know what they would use as a computer password. He took great pride in one case (the main case in the story) in knowing in advance that the guy would use TWO layers of security … and he somehow deduced what the 2 passworkds would be. (YEAH YEAH … but this was in the early days when people used stupid passwords.) Just as he entered the second password to break into the system he realized that the guy would add one more layer of security. Before entering the CORRECT second password, he would enter an INCORRECT second password … and if no incorrect password was entered, the system would shut itself down. Alas the hero realized this too late. I suppose one could consider this an added layer of security using obscurity.

  • Carl M

    That reminds me of a short story I read once (years ago now). A character in a story had the ability to get to know someone’s personality that he could somehow know what they would use as a computer password. He took great pride in one case (the main case in the story) in knowing in advance that the guy would use TWO layers of security … and he somehow deduced what the 2 passworkds would be. (YEAH YEAH … but this was in the early days when people used stupid passwords.) Just as he entered the second password to break into the system he realized that the guy would add one more layer of security. Before entering the CORRECT second password, he would enter an INCORRECT second password … and if no incorrect password was entered, the system would shut itself down. Alas the hero realized this too late. I suppose one could consider this an added layer of security using obscurity.

  • Mark

    Yes, absolutely ! The “lack security by obscurity” has become a mantra to most IT people … which is exactly why they should’t be doing security. If they’re not going to critically analyse and review security truisms they hear, then they’re not going to be good at security, where assumptions are usually the things that create security vulnerabilities.

    There are two really easy ways to point out the flaw in assuming there is never security in obscurity :

    (1) point out that it works quite effectively as a security measure (but not the only one) for animals in nature , or the military

    (2) Ask those people if they’re blocking ICMP pings from the Internet. If they are, they’re obviously using it as a mechanism to obscure themselves from the Internet at large. In this case they’re obviously not practicing what they preach :-)

  • Mark

    Yes, absolutely ! The “lack security by obscurity” has become a mantra to most IT people … which is exactly why they should’t be doing security. If they’re not going to critically analyse and review security truisms they hear, then they’re not going to be good at security, where assumptions are usually the things that create security vulnerabilities.

    There are two really easy ways to point out the flaw in assuming there is never security in obscurity :

    (1) point out that it works quite effectively as a security measure (but not the only one) for animals in nature , or the military

    (2) Ask those people if they’re blocking ICMP pings from the Internet. If they are, they’re obviously using it as a mechanism to obscure themselves from the Internet at large. In this case they’re obviously not practicing what they preach :-)


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