Sarah Palin Thinks Jesus Will Return in Her Lifetime, and That the Earth is Less Than 7,000 Years Old

By Daniel Miessler on September 17th, 2008: Tagged as Election 2008 | Politics | Religion

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No, I’m not about to link to an Onion article. I wish I were. This is, unfortunately, real. This is the hockey Mom who’s disturbingly likely to be one bad medical visit from the White House.

A pastor named Philip Munger has been following Palin for a while now, and has had numerous encounters with her over the years in Alaska. Here’s a clip from a Salon.com article about one such interaction:

Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. “She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board,” said Munger, a music composer and teacher. “I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, ‘Sarah, how can you believe in creationism — your father’s a science teacher.’ And she said, ‘We don’t have to agree on everything.‘

“I pushed her on the earth’s creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she’d seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them.”

Munger also asked Palin if she truly believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. “She looked in my eyes and said, ‘Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.‘”

Let’s review:

  1. Thinks the earth is less than 7,000 years old, i.e. creationist. Check.
  2. Thinks Jesus is coming back in her lifetime. Check.

And now we see the picture. It’s no wonder she wants to play rough with Iran and Russia—she doesn’t give a fuck what they do. If they get pissed off and start a nuclear war, no worries. Jesus will swoop in and save the believers anyway.

I like atheists in charge of the nukes—or at least people with a somewhat secular view of the world. It’s important to think that THIS existence is important when wielding the influence and weapons that can bring it to an end.:

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  • stacy’s dad

    @stacey: “Yeah, Won’t you just be shocked when you find out she’s exactly correct, Only it will be too late when your standing at the throne of “God” ALL by yourself”

    what I’ll be shocked about are all the other pious, religious people who belong to religions other than Palin’s whose only crime was to be born in the wrong place/time – for example Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, or any non-christian.

    sorry no, God didn’t do a magic act to create the grand canyon, Satan didn’t plant fake dinosaur bones to throw us off track and God doesn’t send souls to hell for not believing in a talking snake.

    honestly Stacey, do you really believe (or think it’s even ok for others to believe) that the only reason we have animals on Earth today is because Noah put 2 of each on a boat? if so, please soak your head at your earliest convenience.

    thanks for your contribution!

  • Wotan

    Don’t worry Stacey, you’ll be refused entry to Valhalla in the afterlife for choosing the wrong religion !. Still, I’ll think of you come Ragnarok . . . .

  • http://None Wotan

    Don’t worry Stacey, you’ll be refused entry to Valhalla in the afterlife for choosing the wrong religion !. Still, I’ll think of you come Ragnarok . . . .

  • shane

    Here is another completely sourceless rumor. But since I can’t prove she did NOT say those things, lets assume that she did for a minute… “And now we see the picture. It’s no wonder she wants to play rough with Iran and Russia—she doesn’t give a fuck what they do. If they get pissed off and start a nuclear war, no worries. Jesus will swoop in and save the believers anyway.” Actually as a God-fearing Christian, I am pretty sure that she would be afraid of God’s wrath and I am pretty sure she would be “sent to hell” for doing something like that.

    “I like atheists in charge of the nukes—or at least people with a somewhat secular view of the world. It’s important to think that THIS existence is important when wielding the influence and weapons that can bring it to an end.” I am not so sure about that. I have no problem with atheists but I don’t think your argument holds. Christians believe that what they do in this lifetime determines their future between everlasting joy in heaven or everlasting misery in hell. They believe that what they do here has profound implications. Atheists however believe that there are no consequences. When you die, you die and that is it. If I die by blowing up the world, I will have the same fate as the most generous and loving Pope.

    As a side note: check this out… as a former Catholic, I am completely shocked but I guess it is about damn time… http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804713.htm

    Finally, I am getting pretty sick of the anti-Palin stuff here. Every time you bring up something against her, I look it up and find nothing supporting it besides opinions on blog sites. Factcheck.org I think is one site we can all trust and it shows that she is not as bad as you make her out to be. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

  • shane

    Here is another completely sourceless rumor. But since I can’t prove she did NOT say those things, lets assume that she did for a minute… “And now we see the picture. It’s no wonder she wants to play rough with Iran and Russia—she doesn’t give a fuck what they do. If they get pissed off and start a nuclear war, no worries. Jesus will swoop in and save the believers anyway.” Actually as a God-fearing Christian, I am pretty sure that she would be afraid of God’s wrath and I am pretty sure she would be “sent to hell” for doing something like that.

    “I like atheists in charge of the nukes—or at least people with a somewhat secular view of the world. It’s important to think that THIS existence is important when wielding the influence and weapons that can bring it to an end.” I am not so sure about that. I have no problem with atheists but I don’t think your argument holds. Christians believe that what they do in this lifetime determines their future between everlasting joy in heaven or everlasting misery in hell. They believe that what they do here has profound implications. Atheists however believe that there are no consequences. When you die, you die and that is it. If I die by blowing up the world, I will have the same fate as the most generous and loving Pope.

    As a side note: check this out… as a former Catholic, I am completely shocked but I guess it is about damn time… http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804713.htm

    Finally, I am getting pretty sick of the anti-Palin stuff here. Every time you bring up something against her, I look it up and find nothing supporting it besides opinions on blog sites. Factcheck.org I think is one site we can all trust and it shows that she is not as bad as you make her out to be. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

  • c’mon now shane

    @shane:

    I am pretty sure that she would be afraid of God’s wrath and I am pretty sure she would be “sent to hell” for doing something like that.

    really? if The Rapture (read: apocalypse) is a good thing, then helping bring it about would not be considered a bad thing. Remember, the Inquisition was believed to be the right thing to do – none of them thought they were going to be “sent to hell”. thinking you are doing “God’s Will” and the “reward” you get as a consequence don’t need to be aligned.

    I have no problem with atheists but I don’t think your argument holds

    Atheists don’t necessarily believe that there is no afterlife, just that reality is not governed by a sentient being (aka: God). if the “soul” is a form of energy or life, then you could potentially scientifically nurture it in a way as to prolong it’s existence past organic ‘life’. things aren’t as black&white as you seem to imply but that is the depth of thinking that most strict republicans demonstrate. regardless your point doesn’t make sense… so what if they don’t think actions have consequence in the afterlife? they do believe in consequence in this life and death is bad to atheists. death is not necessarily bad for Christians if they believe that they are doing God’s will. see the difference? a ‘holy’ war is ok to a Christian but not ok to an atheist.

    Factcheck.org I think is one site we can all trust and it shows that she is not as bad as you make her out to be.

    it’s a great site, but none of the points listed there contradict what Mr. Miessler posted. for example, she is a Creationist, period. The factcheck page only says that she wants it in schools alongside evolution, not replace it. Personally I don’t believe magic should be taught in schools. there were no talking snakes in history, sorry to disappoint. People who believe genesis (and other magical stories from the Bible) as historical fact are not thinking clearly or are simply stupid – both are horrible attributes to have if you are the leader of a country. The Bible is great but the stories are anecdotes, not historical fact.

    also, she is running for VP or even possibly P, so scrutiny should be performed regardless of how sick you happen to be of it. seriously, think before you post, grow a thicker skin and stfu.

  • c’mon now shane

    @shane:

    I am pretty sure that she would be afraid of God’s wrath and I am pretty sure she would be “sent to hell” for doing something like that.

    really? if The Rapture (read: apocalypse) is a good thing, then helping bring it about would not be considered a bad thing. Remember, the Inquisition was believed to be the right thing to do – none of them thought they were going to be “sent to hell”. thinking you are doing “God’s Will” and the “reward” you get as a consequence don’t need to be aligned.

    I have no problem with atheists but I don’t think your argument holds

    Atheists don’t necessarily believe that there is no afterlife, just that reality is not governed by a sentient being (aka: God). if the “soul” is a form of energy or life, then you could potentially scientifically nurture it in a way as to prolong it’s existence past organic ‘life’. things aren’t as black&white as you seem to imply but that is the depth of thinking that most strict republicans demonstrate. regardless your point doesn’t make sense… so what if they don’t think actions have consequence in the afterlife? they do believe in consequence in this life and death is bad to atheists. death is not necessarily bad for Christians if they believe that they are doing God’s will. see the difference? a ‘holy’ war is ok to a Christian but not ok to an atheist.

    Factcheck.org I think is one site we can all trust and it shows that she is not as bad as you make her out to be.

    it’s a great site, but none of the points listed there contradict what Mr. Miessler posted. for example, she is a Creationist, period. The factcheck page only says that she wants it in schools alongside evolution, not replace it. Personally I don’t believe magic should be taught in schools. there were no talking snakes in history, sorry to disappoint. People who believe genesis (and other magical stories from the Bible) as historical fact are not thinking clearly or are simply stupid – both are horrible attributes to have if you are the leader of a country. The Bible is great but the stories are anecdotes, not historical fact.

    also, she is running for VP or even possibly P, so scrutiny should be performed regardless of how sick you happen to be of it. seriously, think before you post, grow a thicker skin and stfu.

  • shane

    Damn it man, you had a great argument! Why ruin it starting with the condescending “really?” and end it all with “seriously, think before you post, grow a thicker skin and stfu. Comment by c’mon now shane” It is as if you knew I wasn’t going to buy your argument so you end it with a personal jab to really convince me. It was probably my cue to move on to a new discussion, but I can’t help myself.

    Pentecostals freak me the hell out even if she supposedly is only associated with Pentecostals. But the church she does go to says that the Bible is “inerrant” – http://www.newsweek.com/id/156679/page/2 and that really blows most of my arguments away right there. I would hope that doesn’t mean that she believes the bible is word-for-word true, but I don’t know. But back to your argument, “if The Rapture (read: apocalypse) is a good thing, then helping bring it about would not be considered a bad thing”. I don’t buy that logic. But more importantly, I don’t get the point of bringing up the rapture at all. Do you really think it is possible for a VP (or even P) to be so brain-washed religious to believe she is on a mission from god to bring about the end of the world … AND then actually go on and do it without anyone stopping her? This is just too ridiculous of a scenario. Other than the fact you don’t KNOW how religious she is in real life, I can’t think of any contradictions to your argument.

    Next, good point about my Republican brain. If only my feeble mind could see beyond black and white like Democrats can. I can see how one can infer absolutes from my heaven/consequences argument but it was meant to be generic. Regardless of what afterlife atheists may believe is possible, they inherently do not believe in one in which your future is decided based on a judgment of your actions back on earth. This belief in an afterlife, as silly as seems to both you and me, still forces a hefty a punishment to those christians to not do bad things. I would argue that starting a nuclear war would be a bad thing, but you would argue that a brainwashed Palin may think it is a good thing.

    I would like to see a poll of how many christians believe that a holy war is okay. I would also like to see a poll of how many atheists believe that a violent war against religion would be okay. I am sure the results wouldn’t be entirely similar, but certainly not that far apart either.

    “she is a Creationist, period” I am glad you are so sure, but I am not. If you read that link again you should also note that Palin does not wish creationism to be TAUGHT in school, only that it be allowed to be discussed. As a libertarian, I like that. I think creationism is a dumb theory but I don’t think it should be illegal to talk about it, even in a public school. “The Bible is great but the stories are anecdotes, not historical fact.” I fully agree.

    Back to Palin. Of course, she should be scrutinized. But investigating, as I have also clearly done, is far different than repeating rumors you read from reddit. I am not sick of the scrutiny. I am sick one rumor after another (like the book banning and the he-said-she-saids).

    I am just as sick of the similar attacks on right wing sites that still think Obama is a muslim, muslim-lover, socialist, or whatever they come up with next. I much rather prefer arguments like yours if you had only been less of a dick about getting your point across. Just because the internet is anonymous doesn’t mean we can’t all be civil.

  • shane

    Damn it man, you had a great argument! Why ruin it starting with the condescending “really?” and end it all with “seriously, think before you post, grow a thicker skin and stfu. Comment by c’mon now shane” It is as if you knew I wasn’t going to buy your argument so you end it with a personal jab to really convince me. It was probably my cue to move on to a new discussion, but I can’t help myself.

    Pentecostals freak me the hell out even if she supposedly is only associated with Pentecostals. But the church she does go to says that the Bible is “inerrant” – http://www.newsweek.com/id/156679/page/2 and that really blows most of my arguments away right there. I would hope that doesn’t mean that she believes the bible is word-for-word true, but I don’t know. But back to your argument, “if The Rapture (read: apocalypse) is a good thing, then helping bring it about would not be considered a bad thing”. I don’t buy that logic. But more importantly, I don’t get the point of bringing up the rapture at all. Do you really think it is possible for a VP (or even P) to be so brain-washed religious to believe she is on a mission from god to bring about the end of the world … AND then actually go on and do it without anyone stopping her? This is just too ridiculous of a scenario. Other than the fact you don’t KNOW how religious she is in real life, I can’t think of any contradictions to your argument.

    Next, good point about my Republican brain. If only my feeble mind could see beyond black and white like Democrats can. I can see how one can infer absolutes from my heaven/consequences argument but it was meant to be generic. Regardless of what afterlife atheists may believe is possible, they inherently do not believe in one in which your future is decided based on a judgment of your actions back on earth. This belief in an afterlife, as silly as seems to both you and me, still forces a hefty a punishment to those christians to not do bad things. I would argue that starting a nuclear war would be a bad thing, but you would argue that a brainwashed Palin may think it is a good thing.

    I would like to see a poll of how many christians believe that a holy war is okay. I would also like to see a poll of how many atheists believe that a violent war against religion would be okay. I am sure the results wouldn’t be entirely similar, but certainly not that far apart either.

    “she is a Creationist, period” I am glad you are so sure, but I am not. If you read that link again you should also note that Palin does not wish creationism to be TAUGHT in school, only that it be allowed to be discussed. As a libertarian, I like that. I think creationism is a dumb theory but I don’t think it should be illegal to talk about it, even in a public school. “The Bible is great but the stories are anecdotes, not historical fact.” I fully agree.

    Back to Palin. Of course, she should be scrutinized. But investigating, as I have also clearly done, is far different than repeating rumors you read from reddit. I am not sick of the scrutiny. I am sick one rumor after another (like the book banning and the he-said-she-saids).

    I am just as sick of the similar attacks on right wing sites that still think Obama is a muslim, muslim-lover, socialist, or whatever they come up with next. I much rather prefer arguments like yours if you had only been less of a dick about getting your point across. Just because the internet is anonymous doesn’t mean we can’t all be civil.

  • shane

    Damn it man, you had a great argument! Why ruin it starting with the condescending “really?” and end it all with “seriously, think before you post, grow a thicker skin and stfu. Comment by c’mon now shane” It is as if you knew I wasn’t going to buy your argument so you end it with a personal jab to really convince me. It was probably my cue to move on to a new discussion, but I can’t help myself.

    Pentecostals freak me the hell out even if she supposedly is only associated with Pentecostals. But the church she does go to says that the Bible is “inerrant” – http://www.newsweek.com/id/156679/page/2 and that really blows most of my arguments away right there. I would hope that doesn’t mean that she believes the bible is word-for-word true, but I don’t know. But back to your argument, “if The Rapture (read: apocalypse) is a good thing, then helping bring it about would not be considered a bad thing”. I don’t buy that logic. But more importantly, I don’t get the point of bringing up the rapture at all. Do you really think it is possible for a VP (or even P) to be so brain-washed religious to believe she is on a mission from god to bring about the end of the world … AND then actually go on and do it without anyone stopping her? This is just too ridiculous of a scenario. Other than the fact you don’t KNOW how religious she is in real life, I can’t think of any contradictions to your argument.

    Next, good point about my Republican brain. If only my feeble mind could see beyond black and white like Democrats can. I can see how one can infer absolutes from my heaven/consequences argument but it was meant to be generic. Regardless of what afterlife atheists may believe is possible, they inherently do not believe in one in which your future is decided based on a judgment of your actions back on earth. This belief in an afterlife, as silly as seems to both you and me, still forces a hefty a punishment to those christians to not do bad things. I would argue that starting a nuclear war would be a bad thing, but you would argue that a brainwashed Palin may think it is a good thing.

    I would like to see a poll of how many christians believe that a holy war is okay. I would also like to see a poll of how many atheists believe that a violent war against religion would be okay. I am sure the results wouldn’t be entirely similar, but certainly not that far apart either.

    “she is a Creationist, period” I am glad you are so sure, but I am not. If you read that link again you should also note that Palin does not wish creationism to be TAUGHT in school, only that it be allowed to be discussed. As a libertarian, I like that. I think creationism is a dumb theory but I don’t think it should be illegal to talk about it, even in a public school. “The Bible is great but the stories are anecdotes, not historical fact.” I fully agree.

    Back to Palin. Of course, she should be scrutinized. But investigating, as I have also clearly done, is far different than repeating rumors you read from reddit. I am not sick of the scrutiny. I am sick one rumor after another (like the book banning and the he-said-she-saids).

    I am just as sick of the similar attacks on right wing sites that still think Obama is a muslim, muslim-lover, socialist, or whatever they come up with next. I much rather prefer arguments like yours if you had only been less of a dick about getting your point across. Just because the internet is anonymous doesn’t mean we can’t all be civil.

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  • http://rebelzen.com/ Seamus Anthony

    The fact that there are enough idiots to even allow this woman to get a platform is the sad part.

    God, I would just die laughing if Buddha came back and started frying all the Christians for being bigoted arseholes. That would be the funniest.

  • http://rebelzen.com/ Seamus Anthony

    The fact that there are enough idiots to even allow this woman to get a platform is the sad part.

    God, I would just die laughing if Buddha came back and started frying all the Christians for being bigoted arseholes. That would be the funniest.

  • http://rebelzen.com Seamus Anthony

    The fact that there are enough idiots to even allow this woman to get a platform is the sad part.

    God, I would just die laughing if Buddha came back and started frying all the Christians for being bigoted arseholes. That would be the funniest.

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  • A believer

    I think people need to bear in mind that atheists are people of faith as well. Christians have FAITH that Yeshua was and is Ha-Meshiach of the Israelite people. Said Israelites that are Jews have FAITH that he is not. Muslins have FAITH that both groups are wrong and the Mohammed is the last and greatest prophet of Allah. Hindu's have FAITH in reincarnation and Brahman. Buddhists have FAITH in reincarnation as well. Finally, atheists have FAITH that all of these people are wrong and that when you die there is nothing left. However, I think that they need more faith than those who believe God created the universe, as they have yet to propose a probable solution to the Big Bang.

    Also, the thought of only secular people in charge of the most powerful and deadly weapons on the face of the planet scare me. Remember how Hitler (though he claimed to be Catholic he is seen by virtually everyone as an atheist) and Stalin were atheists. Perhaps instead of favoring one group of people, we should accept and promote balance and fairness and let some people from each group be on the board.

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    “If atheism is a faith, then NOT collecting stamps is a hobby.”

  • ruth

    The earth could be very very old… But time was imposed on man 7000 years.. ago..This number of years (7000) is recorded by the genealogy of Jesus which goes back to Adam…It does not say how long Adam and/or Eve lived prior to the earth shaking event in the Garden that plunged man into infinite time and a delusional perception of reality…This horrendous act is called the FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH in the Bible… It is a totally separate event from the creation of the earth… This is when time began. This is the world that will end soon and man will be restored to timelessness. and eternal l life as promised in scripture

  • ruth

    The earth could be very very old… But time was imposed on man 7000 years.. ago..This number of years (7000) is recorded by the genealogy of Jesus which goes back to Adam…It does not say how long Adam and/or Eve lived prior to the earth shaking event in the Garden that plunged man into infinite time and a delusional perception of reality…This horrendous act is called the FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH in the Bible… It is a totally separate event from the creation of the earth… This is when time began. This is the world that will end soon and man will be restored to timelessness. and eternal l life as promised in scripture

  • Morticom

    Religion is basically people believing in the unbelievable and will probably be the last mental illness to be curd on this planet!

  • Morticom

    Religion is basically people believing in the unbelievable and will probably be the last mental illness to be curd on this planet!

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