Question: When Do We, As Paul Supporters, Switch to Obama?

By Daniel Miessler on January 30th, 2008: Tagged as Politics | Ron Paul
  • omelet

    i gave $60. to paul, even marched on new year’s eve, but there’s a point when you need reality. Florida had the blimp, and young ppl did not care, old ppl went out and voted for the old war-monger, or the (non lipstick lesbian) Bitch. Lets wake up. PPL only care about their football, jesus, world of warcraft, they are not ppl who read blogs, or have a brain, or understand deficit spending, or monetary policy. The masses will have to be on day two of starvation from flouridated water before the ideas of Ron Paul actually sink into their heads.

    So figure it out fellow Paulians, it’s either Obama, or some load of crap that will destroy us all.

  • C. Damian

    I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, and I never have been. I’m cautious regarding anyone who claims to be a strict Constitutionalist. The United States is too big, and the Constitution too old, to be governed by anyone who won’t think outside the box. I admire Dr. Paul’s dedication to freedom and anti-war stance, and I certainly think that we could do without the Federal Reserve and the CIA. The problem with Dr. Paul is simply that he would abolish too many programs and agencies that actually work and would work better with a little tweaking. Ron Paul would basically throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. One thing that I don’t understand is that so many Ron Paul supporters would vote for any candidate from one of the two major parties once Dr. Paul’s candidacy is officially non-viable. If you really believe in what Ron Paul stands for, you have a moral obligation to vote for a candidate that matches your views entirely, whether that candidate has a chance of winning or not. A protest vote is not a wasted vote. I’m voting Green this year because of their desire to abolish the military-industrial complex and end the failed war on drugs. Will a Green Party candidate be our next president? Of course not! But I’m not going to allow my vote to support a two-party system in which the two parties are virtually indistinguishable. I think that Ron Paul’s candidacy is about REAL choice. Don’t make a phony choice just because the real one is gone. Vote third party.

  • C. Damian

    I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, and I never have been. I’m cautious regarding anyone who claims to be a strict Constitutionalist. The United States is too big, and the Constitution too old, to be governed by anyone who won’t think outside the box. I admire Dr. Paul’s dedication to freedom and anti-war stance, and I certainly think that we could do without the Federal Reserve and the CIA. The problem with Dr. Paul is simply that he would abolish too many programs and agencies that actually work and would work better with a little tweaking. Ron Paul would basically throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. One thing that I don’t understand is that so many Ron Paul supporters would vote for any candidate from one of the two major parties once Dr. Paul’s candidacy is officially non-viable. If you really believe in what Ron Paul stands for, you have a moral obligation to vote for a candidate that matches your views entirely, whether that candidate has a chance of winning or not. A protest vote is not a wasted vote. I’m voting Green this year because of their desire to abolish the military-industrial complex and end the failed war on drugs. Will a Green Party candidate be our next president? Of course not! But I’m not going to allow my vote to support a two-party system in which the two parties are virtually indistinguishable. I think that Ron Paul’s candidacy is about REAL choice. Don’t make a phony choice just because the real one is gone. Vote third party.

  • Jason

    I never really did understand why liberals gravitated to a libertarian like Ron Paul. Now, the anti-war policy I understand, but he’s for privatized health care, privatized education, the free market. He’d abolish the Board of Education, lift business restrictions, all things liberals don’t agree with. I never understood why liberals liked him in the first place, let alone what they’d do now.

    It seems to me that those who don’t actually believe in Liberty will fall back and support who they think will win. It’s those who will choose to stick with Ron Paul even though he never had a chance at the nomination who will define themselves as true Americans.

    One should never vote for the candidate they think will win, they should vote for the one who they agree with. True Paul supporters will remain with him until the end, whenever that is. They will not let down their principles. Those who do should not have supoprted him in the first place.

  • Jason

    I never really did understand why liberals gravitated to a libertarian like Ron Paul. Now, the anti-war policy I understand, but he’s for privatized health care, privatized education, the free market. He’d abolish the Board of Education, lift business restrictions, all things liberals don’t agree with. I never understood why liberals liked him in the first place, let alone what they’d do now.

    It seems to me that those who don’t actually believe in Liberty will fall back and support who they think will win. It’s those who will choose to stick with Ron Paul even though he never had a chance at the nomination who will define themselves as true Americans.

    One should never vote for the candidate they think will win, they should vote for the one who they agree with. True Paul supporters will remain with him until the end, whenever that is. They will not let down their principles. Those who do should not have supoprted him in the first place.

  • omelet

    im throwing my hands up here, ppl just dont understand the media, political process, aarrgh. All these ppl saying, “ron paul speaks truth” ok good but RP will not get the nomination, Thus said, all you can hope for is a cabinet position. Will McCain appoint RP? you bet your dirty socks he wont. GET REAL rp ppl, vote Obama, the lesser of 4 evils. It is as south park said -turd sandwich or giant doushe. And obama is the SMALL doushe. dont let mccain or hillary win. Its called Frontloading, learn about it. jesus wake the fuck up.

  • omelet

    im throwing my hands up here, ppl just dont understand the media, political process, aarrgh. All these ppl saying, “ron paul speaks truth” ok good but RP will not get the nomination, Thus said, all you can hope for is a cabinet position. Will McCain appoint RP? you bet your dirty socks he wont. GET REAL rp ppl, vote Obama, the lesser of 4 evils. It is as south park said -turd sandwich or giant doushe. And obama is the SMALL doushe. dont let mccain or hillary win. Its called Frontloading, learn about it. jesus wake the fuck up.

  • Brian

    I boo you. I will never vote for a person who I don’t agree with just to keep another person I don’t agree with out of office. The idea that such behavior is acceptable has permeated in the collective minds of Americans discontent with the current system for many years. I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of whether he makes the Republican nomination or not, I will gladly write him in. Some may call this a ‘wasted’ vote, but I must insist that the real wasted vote is the vote that we make for someone we do not believe in, simply out of fear.

  • Brian

    I boo you. I will never vote for a person who I don’t agree with just to keep another person I don’t agree with out of office. The idea that such behavior is acceptable has permeated in the collective minds of Americans discontent with the current system for many years. I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of whether he makes the Republican nomination or not, I will gladly write him in. Some may call this a ‘wasted’ vote, but I must insist that the real wasted vote is the vote that we make for someone we do not believe in, simply out of fear.

  • http://paulforronpaul.com/ Paul

    If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, I will revert back to what I’ve been doing my whole life: voting for a party other than Democrat or Republican. I will then sit back and watch the continued march toward fascism and economic destruction that has been the norm for not just the current administration (although it must be said that it has accelerated the process in an unprecedented manner), but each administration before this one, be it Democrat or Republican. I certainly see nothing in Obama’s rhetoric that would reverse the trend.

  • http://paulforronpaul.com Paul

    If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, I will revert back to what I’ve been doing my whole life: voting for a party other than Democrat or Republican. I will then sit back and watch the continued march toward fascism and economic destruction that has been the norm for not just the current administration (although it must be said that it has accelerated the process in an unprecedented manner), but each administration before this one, be it Democrat or Republican. I certainly see nothing in Obama’s rhetoric that would reverse the trend.

  • John Galt

    I will support Ron Paul tooth and nail until the Republican convention. I do this out of principle, and as someone mentioned above–if I gave up, it would be giving up on a movement, not just a candidate. If the GOP nominates McCain, and they probably will, I will vote for Obama.

    I love Obama. But I’ll be honest–I love the man, not the platform. I disagree strongly on many of his issues. He’s wrong on some and simply not strong enough on others. You make take issue with me voting for a man, not a platform. After all, with Paul, I’m supporting a platform, not a man.

    But today, there are few good men. The political field is crowded with corrupt, flip-flopping, status-quo mother fuckers. Damn near every last one of them. They have bad policy, but they also have bad character.

    With Obama, I see a good man. I see good character. With Obama, I see a future for America that may not have my policies, but it will be open to my policies. With Obama, I see a Ron Paul Revolution continuing to grow, I see a battle of philosophy, instead of character assassination.

    This I support. Obama fans, I cannot, and will not, dessert Ron Paul. But I have this to say: fight! Fight hard. Fight with everything you got. Because you MUST be Hillary. You must get Obama the nomination.

    When the day of the nomination comes, I will transfer my support of the Revolution to a candidate that can keep it alive.

  • John Galt

    I will support Ron Paul tooth and nail until the Republican convention. I do this out of principle, and as someone mentioned above–if I gave up, it would be giving up on a movement, not just a candidate. If the GOP nominates McCain, and they probably will, I will vote for Obama.

    I love Obama. But I’ll be honest–I love the man, not the platform. I disagree strongly on many of his issues. He’s wrong on some and simply not strong enough on others. You make take issue with me voting for a man, not a platform. After all, with Paul, I’m supporting a platform, not a man.

    But today, there are few good men. The political field is crowded with corrupt, flip-flopping, status-quo mother fuckers. Damn near every last one of them. They have bad policy, but they also have bad character.

    With Obama, I see a good man. I see good character. With Obama, I see a future for America that may not have my policies, but it will be open to my policies. With Obama, I see a Ron Paul Revolution continuing to grow, I see a battle of philosophy, instead of character assassination.

    This I support. Obama fans, I cannot, and will not, dessert Ron Paul. But I have this to say: fight! Fight hard. Fight with everything you got. Because you MUST be Hillary. You must get Obama the nomination.

    When the day of the nomination comes, I will transfer my support of the Revolution to a candidate that can keep it alive.

  • http://www.tacticaledge.blogspot.com/ god

    I would rather not vote than vote for a candidate that the media promotes. Ron Paul is the only active candidate who is important in this campaign. I will be promoting him and his campaign to the election day and voting for him.

    After the election, if he wins because of a fair vote, I will be amazed. If by default from massive fraud, okay. If he does not win we will continue as a major political fundraising and activism force.

    Your hippies have come back.

  • http://www.tacticaledge.blogspot.com god

    I would rather not vote than vote for a candidate that the media promotes. Ron Paul is the only active candidate who is important in this campaign. I will be promoting him and his campaign to the election day and voting for him.

    After the election, if he wins because of a fair vote, I will be amazed. If by default from massive fraud, okay. If he does not win we will continue as a major political fundraising and activism force.

    Your hippies have come back.

  • Dennis

    I will still write in Ron Paul for president. just because he may not get the nomination doesn’t mean I can’t still vote for him.

  • Dennis

    I will still write in Ron Paul for president. just because he may not get the nomination doesn’t mean I can’t still vote for him.

  • Elliot

    I’d support Obama if he had a discernible agenda. The man has NO experience compared to Ron Paul, and thus has to surround himself with advisors who tell him how to do his job. He’s obviously a very eloquent speaker and presence onstage, but so are actors. All I see is a movie character audition for the role of president. He spent the first 10 min of his keynote address at the DNC talking about his life and how far he made it and how unlikely a candidate he was. His rhetoric is vague and to anyone who cares about REAL change from a candidate who knows what’s going on, he is far too inexperienced. When I see Obama go toe to toe in a debate with Ron Paul and keep up, I might reconsider.

  • Elliot

    I’d support Obama if he had a discernible agenda. The man has NO experience compared to Ron Paul, and thus has to surround himself with advisors who tell him how to do his job. He’s obviously a very eloquent speaker and presence onstage, but so are actors. All I see is a movie character audition for the role of president. He spent the first 10 min of his keynote address at the DNC talking about his life and how far he made it and how unlikely a candidate he was. His rhetoric is vague and to anyone who cares about REAL change from a candidate who knows what’s going on, he is far too inexperienced. When I see Obama go toe to toe in a debate with Ron Paul and keep up, I might reconsider.

  • Theresa Jones

    Ron Paul and Barack Obama are on the opposite sides of the fence. Mr. Paul supports and defends our Constitution. Mr. Obama ignores our Constitution and is a socalist. Why would anyone switch from Ron Paul to Barack Obama?

  • Theresa Jones

    Ron Paul and Barack Obama are on the opposite sides of the fence. Mr. Paul supports and defends our Constitution. Mr. Obama ignores our Constitution and is a socalist. Why would anyone switch from Ron Paul to Barack Obama?

  • Gary Moore

    Why is it we don’t learn from our mistakes? We don’t have to look to far back to remember the effect Ralph Nader had on the outcome of the 2004 election. Those holding on to their support for Nader even when it was clear he had no chance of winning, literally handed the election to Bush. This country can’t afford to make this same mistake again!!!!

  • Gary Moore

    Why is it we don’t learn from our mistakes? We don’t have to look to far back to remember the effect Ralph Nader had on the outcome of the 2004 election. Those holding on to their support for Nader even when it was clear he had no chance of winning, literally handed the election to Bush. This country can’t afford to make this same mistake again!!!!

  • Burnviktm

    I will not vote for Obama… and I will certainly not vote for Romney or McCain.

    If those are my choices, then I will simply vote for the Lib candidate… I am in Texas and it will be red anyway. Anything that we can do to NOT lend validation to the existing primary parties and to illustrate out disillusionment is a good thing… even is some see it as a ‘wasted’ vote.

    Think of it as a vote for a future election.

  • Burnviktm

    I will not vote for Obama… and I will certainly not vote for Romney or McCain.

    If those are my choices, then I will simply vote for the Lib candidate… I am in Texas and it will be red anyway. Anything that we can do to NOT lend validation to the existing primary parties and to illustrate out disillusionment is a good thing… even is some see it as a ‘wasted’ vote.

    Think of it as a vote for a future election.

  • Gil

    Write Dr. Paul in anyway… NEVER give up… Revolution…

    Good Luck to all…

  • Gil

    Write Dr. Paul in anyway… NEVER give up… Revolution…

    Good Luck to all…

  • Carl M

    I’m not sure if this will be seen by anyone since this thread is a bit old, but I find it interesting that in the following collection of tech-related questions, Obama and Paul agree on their answers to all but one question.

    http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5

  • Carl M

    I’m not sure if this will be seen by anyone since this thread is a bit old, but I find it interesting that in the following collection of tech-related questions, Obama and Paul agree on their answers to all but one question.

    http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5

  • Carl M

    OK, that full link didn’t paste correctly. Maybe with quotes? Anyway, it’s interesting too that they were the only two that answered all of the questions.

    “http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5″

  • Carl M

    OK, that full link didn’t paste correctly. Maybe with quotes? Anyway, it’s interesting too that they were the only two that answered all of the questions.

    “http://www.news.com/8301-135783-9864581-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-13-0-5″

  • Carl M

    Arrrgh .. it’s taking an underscore as instructions to italicize. The link is on this page (for now):

    feed://www.news.com/

    Title: In ’08 presidential race, who’s the most tech-friendly?

  • Carl M

    Arrrgh .. it’s taking an underscore as instructions to italicize. The link is on this page (for now):

    feed://www.news.com/

    Title: In ’08 presidential race, who’s the most tech-friendly?

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  • Sam

    Oh man, I can't believe I found this post. I remembered it from a long time ago on stumble. Man, is dan a confirmable ass now.

  • http://danielmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    Explain?


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