Comments on: My Attempt to Define Liberal and Conservative http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative grep understanding Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:39:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: uberVU - social comments http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243549 uberVU - social comments Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:01:47 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243549 <p><strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong></p> <p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by twforeman: A simple definition of Liberal and Conservative: http://bit.ly/WZ8Zh...</p> Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: CarlM http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243368 CarlM Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:21:55 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243368 <p>When Daniel said that liberals "see the elevation of the underprivileged to be a communal effort that should be willingly funded by those in society who have been fortunate enough to be successful," I took this as meaning that in Daniel's view liberals think that this is how all consciencious people ought to feel and not that this is how all people ACTUALLY feel. <br><br>---<br><br>As a side note: "Liberals want to force everyone of privilege to pay for the underprivileged." This is (at best) a vast oversimplification (to pay for the underprivileged? ... that's not what this is about). The issue that Daniel has been talking about is "the elevation of the underprivileged" .. something that requires systemic changes to societal structures (education, infrastructure, taxes, etc.). Such systemic changes are most efficiently implemented by a central authority, and they cost money. The questions are: Should government be that central authority? If so, where should they get the money to implement the plans? Since the government gets money from taxes, that second question is equivalent to "How should taxes be structured to pay for the plans and can a need for higher taxes be lessened by reduced spending in other areas?"<br><br>The difference between conservatives and liberals seems to me to be that liberals would answer the first question with "yes" and conservatives would answer with "no."</p> When Daniel said that liberals “see the elevation of the underprivileged to be a communal effort that should be willingly funded by those in society who have been fortunate enough to be successful,” I took this as meaning that in Daniel's view liberals think that this is how all consciencious people ought to feel and not that this is how all people ACTUALLY feel.

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As a side note: “Liberals want to force everyone of privilege to pay for the underprivileged.” This is (at best) a vast oversimplification (to pay for the underprivileged? … that's not what this is about). The issue that Daniel has been talking about is “the elevation of the underprivileged” .. something that requires systemic changes to societal structures (education, infrastructure, taxes, etc.). Such systemic changes are most efficiently implemented by a central authority, and they cost money. The questions are: Should government be that central authority? If so, where should they get the money to implement the plans? Since the government gets money from taxes, that second question is equivalent to “How should taxes be structured to pay for the plans and can a need for higher taxes be lessened by reduced spending in other areas?”

The difference between conservatives and liberals seems to me to be that liberals would answer the first question with “yes” and conservatives would answer with “no.”

]]> By: Jon http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243367 Jon Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:34:07 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243367 <p>ya, i was surprised by the willingly too, since I don't view government wealth redistribution as willing. I agree it should be willing. I also think that luck plays an enormous role in an individuals success. I never realized "liberals" thought they were fixing that part of the universe.</p> ya, i was surprised by the willingly too, since I don't view government wealth redistribution as willing. I agree it should be willing. I also think that luck plays an enormous role in an individuals success. I never realized “liberals” thought they were fixing that part of the universe.

]]> By: Scooter http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243366 Scooter Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:49:19 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243366 <p>Although I have reservations about any generalizations like this, there is one point that stands out to me. The phrase "to be a communal effort that should be willingly funded by those" ought to read "to be a communal effort that is funded by those". There is no "willingly" about it. Liberals want to force everyone of privilege to pay for the underprivileged. I see this as a bigger difference between the two groups. Conservatives feel it should be an optional, charity-type giving and liberals believe it should be a tax distributed by government.</p> Although I have reservations about any generalizations like this, there is one point that stands out to me. The phrase “to be a communal effort that should be willingly funded by those” ought to read “to be a communal effort that is funded by those”. There is no “willingly” about it. Liberals want to force everyone of privilege to pay for the underprivileged. I see this as a bigger difference between the two groups. Conservatives feel it should be an optional, charity-type giving and liberals believe it should be a tax distributed by government.

]]> By: Daniel Miessler http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243364 Daniel Miessler Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:27:10 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243364 <p>Should be better now.</p> Should be better now.

]]> By: Maxolasersquad http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243360 Maxolasersquad Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:10:07 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243360 <p>That link is going 404 on me.</p> That link is going 404 on me.

]]> By: Maxolasersquad http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243361 Maxolasersquad Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:09:19 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243361 <p>"Liberals dream of equal rights,<br>Conservatives live in a world gone by,<br>Socialists preach of a promised land,<br>But old uncle son, was an ordinary man."<br> - Uncle Son, The Kinks</p> “Liberals dream of equal rights,
Conservatives live in a world gone by,
Socialists preach of a promised land,
But old uncle son, was an ordinary man.”
– Uncle Son, The Kinks

]]> By: Daniel Miessler http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative/comment-page-1#comment-243359 Daniel Miessler Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:19:47 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/my-attempt-to-define-liberal-and-conservative#comment-243359 <p>A similar post from a long time ago: <a href="http://danielmiessler.com/blog/liberals-vs-conservatives-an-oversimplification" rel="nofollow">http://danielmiessler.com/blog/liberals-vs-cons...</a>.</p> A similar post from a long time ago: http://danielmiessler.com/blog/liberals-vs-cons....

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