The Bible does not indicate that King Solomon was an atheist? He found his pursuit of worldy wisdom, pleasures and acomplishment vanity because we will all suffer the same fate death. After all that he determined that following God and doing right was the better path, after finding no lasting joy in all his hedonistic pursuits. A true prodigal son.

Also an IQ test is not just a measure of the ability to regurgitate information, certain aquired knowledge may enhance ones IQ but its primarily reasoning, association, reading comprehension and pattern recognition that would determine a score, although I believe that to some degree all the above mentioned factors could be influenced and we can actually learn how to learn, yet some are born with a bigger CPU than others.

As far as morality is concerned, by no means whatsoever do I think that people with a high IQ are inherantly of a higher moral character, they may be better at avoiding prison and concealing their immorality than the feeble minded, how much pain have men of intellect brought on this world. They sometimes more so than others because intelligence brings pride and the feeling of superiority over others and hence a justification of wrong doing since I am smarter than you I am justified in duping you for my own gain.

How many doctors do you think would score a 70 on an IQ test? IQ matters for certain things but it isn’t everything by any means. Just my 2 pence for free.

The Bible does not indicate that King Solomon was an atheist? He found his pursuit of worldy wisdom, pleasures and acomplishment vanity because we will all suffer the same fate death. After all that he determined that following God and doing right was the better path, after finding no lasting joy in all his hedonistic pursuits. A true prodigal son.

Also an IQ test is not just a measure of the ability to regurgitate information, certain aquired knowledge may enhance ones IQ but its primarily reasoning, association, reading comprehension and pattern recognition that would determine a score, although I believe that to some degree all the above mentioned factors could be influenced and we can actually learn how to learn, yet some are born with a bigger CPU than others.

As far as morality is concerned, by no means whatsoever do I think that people with a high IQ are inherantly of a higher moral character, they may be better at avoiding prison and concealing their immorality than the feeble minded, how much pain have men of intellect brought on this world. They sometimes more so than others because intelligence brings pride and the feeling of superiority over others and hence a justification of wrong doing since I am smarter than you I am justified in duping you for my own gain.

How many doctors do you think would score a 70 on an IQ test? IQ matters for certain things but it isn’t everything by any means. Just my 2 pence for free.

Problems with measuring intellgence via IQ…..

1) The ability to solve complex problems is vague There are problems with known algorithims and problems with unknown algorithims. The latter is what ‘I’ consider to be real problems, and reflectve of real intellgence.
The IQ test conveniantly equates the IQ component of human potential with intelligence. YOU might not think the above mentoned factors are important to intellgence, but others may. Because it equates generic problem solving abllity (problems with known solutions) to be THE problems intellgent people can solve. – REAL WORLD PROBLEMS THAT DON”T HAVE KNOWN SOLUTIONS – they usually require deeper, more time consuming analysis, and experiences as well – not just steps you copy out of a book.

2)Assumes that because a person with a higher capacity can solve problems with ‘more steps involved in the future, is acutally smarter than the person who has already solved problems with less steps involved in the present. So if a 20 year old can solve problems of quantum physics and differential equations, they are not smarter than a person with a slightly higher IQ who comes to solve tham at a time – even though in the future, almost everyone else can solve them to(perhaps years later)

3) Assumes the breadth of problems is a persons real intelligence, it ignores depth of problems. A genius was historically a person who solved a SINGLE real world problem for their time. Many times this problem did not require more knowledge(the highest IQ), but rather insight. IQ is always about more more more…. It ignores depth.

4) IQ ignores innate personailty factors that aid intelligent thought People with APSERGER”S/AVOIDANT DISORDER/BIPOLAR DISORDER/SCHIZEPHRENIA, despite their disability can be at an advantage. Or even just highly motivated, garden variety nerds.

On a IQ TEST GENIUSES such as MICHAEL JACKSON, TUPAC SHAKUR, EINSTEIN, DAVINCI, ERIN BROCHIVICH, RICHARD FEYNMAN ect…. are underrated, because on some level these people, intuitvely, smarter than their IQ’S would suggest

Problems with measuring intellgence via IQ…..

1) The ability to solve complex problems is vague There are problems with known algorithims and problems with unknown algorithims. The latter is what ‘I’ consider to be real problems, and reflectve of real intellgence. The IQ test conveniantly equates the IQ component of human potential with intelligence. YOU might not think the above mentoned factors are important to intellgence, but others may. Because it equates generic problem solving abllity (problems with known solutions) to be THE problems intellgent people can solve. – REAL WORLD PROBLEMS THAT DON”T HAVE KNOWN SOLUTIONS – they usually require deeper, more time consuming analysis, and experiences as well – not just steps you copy out of a book.

2)Assumes that because a person with a higher capacity can solve problems with ‘more steps involved in the future, is acutally smarter than the person who has already solved problems with less steps involved in the present. So if a 20 year old can solve problems of quantum physics and differential equations, they are not smarter than a person with a slightly higher IQ who comes to solve tham at a time – even though in the future, almost everyone else can solve them to(perhaps years later)

3) Assumes the breadth of problems is a persons real intelligence, it ignores depth of problems. A genius was historically a person who solved a SINGLE real world problem for their time. Many times this problem did not require more knowledge(the highest IQ), but rather insight. IQ is always about more more more…. It ignores depth.

4) IQ ignores innate personailty factors that aid intelligent thought People with APSERGER”S/AVOIDANT DISORDER/BIPOLAR DISORDER/SCHIZEPHRENIA, despite their disability can be at an advantage. Or even just highly motivated, garden variety nerds.

On a IQ TEST GENIUSES such as MICHAEL JACKSON, TUPAC SHAKUR, EINSTEIN, DAVINCI, ERIN BROCHIVICH, RICHARD FEYNMAN ect…. are underrated, because on some level these people, intuitvely, smarter than their IQ’S would suggest

When I was a kid, I was already having issues fitting in and the TAG group consisted of a girl who wet her pants practically everyday, another social leper and a marginally acceptable boy. Besides, they had to do all that extra work!

A short time after I was caught repairing the family piano, I found myself in a room with the vice principal answering a bunch of questions. Yes, I successfully put it back together, so mom, a teacher at my school, was impressed. Anyway, I was given no explanation why this man was asking these stupid questions, but I figured it out. So, I botched a bunch of them and ended up with a 138. Holy cow, my mom when apeshit. She was screaming at him down the hall….”BUT IT’S ONLY 2 POINTS!!!!” But it was too late to say “Ooookaaaaaay, dog is to canine as cat is to feline”
I normally scored in the 99th percentile on the standardized tests, but my performance was around average. That got me in more trouble than I even WANT to remember.

So what I want to know is has anyone done some kind of ASVAB/IQ equivalency? Does anyone know what an ASVAB score of 97 would be? How high could it be? My idiot brother scored a 96! LOL

When I was a kid, I was already having issues fitting in and the TAG group consisted of a girl who wet her pants practically everyday, another social leper and a marginally acceptable boy. Besides, they had to do all that extra work!

A short time after I was caught repairing the family piano, I found myself in a room with the vice principal answering a bunch of questions. Yes, I successfully put it back together, so mom, a teacher at my school, was impressed. Anyway, I was given no explanation why this man was asking these stupid questions, but I figured it out. So, I botched a bunch of them and ended up with a 138. Holy cow, my mom when apeshit. She was screaming at him down the hall….”BUT IT’S ONLY 2 POINTS!!!!” But it was too late to say “Ooookaaaaaay, dog is to canine as cat is to feline” I normally scored in the 99th percentile on the standardized tests, but my performance was around average. That got me in more trouble than I even WANT to remember.

So what I want to know is has anyone done some kind of ASVAB/IQ equivalency? Does anyone know what an ASVAB score of 97 would be? How high could it be? My idiot brother scored a 96! LOL

They’ve shown that it’s true in everything from office managers to field officers to the most popular presidents.

They’ve also shown that over the long run, the group with the higher average IQ almost always outperforms the group with the lower IQ.

There’s also psycological issues like high IQ people tend to assume people who fail are lazy and should try harder and low IQ people tend to assume that people who succeed either cheated or just got lucky. This is not to say that there aren’t both lazy people who fail and cheaters who succeed but rather that people’s perceptions outstrip the actual percentages of each.

They’ve shown that it’s true in everything from office managers to field officers to the most popular presidents.

They’ve also shown that over the long run, the group with the higher average IQ almost always outperforms the group with the lower IQ.

There’s also psycological issues like high IQ people tend to assume people who fail are lazy and should try harder and low IQ people tend to assume that people who succeed either cheated or just got lucky. This is not to say that there aren’t both lazy people who fail and cheaters who succeed but rather that people’s perceptions outstrip the actual percentages of each.

Michael,

I suggest you learn some sort of way to get yourself into altered states of consciousness – Meditation, self-hypnosis, martial arts, TM – would be my first choice, and then there are practices like sweat lodges or isolation chambers or use of chemicals (either synthesized or from plants) – which I recommend you stay away from.

It is possible to get that state when your brain is not constantly processing without lowering your IQ, and it’s a very rewarding and peaceful experience.

– Arik

Michael,

I suggest you learn some sort of way to get yourself into altered states of consciousness – Meditation, self-hypnosis, martial arts, TM – would be my first choice, and then there are practices like sweat lodges or isolation chambers or use of chemicals (either synthesized or from plants) – which I recommend you stay away from.

It is possible to get that state when your brain is not constantly processing without lowering your IQ, and it’s a very rewarding and peaceful experience.

– Arik

Thus, we should all be skeptical of claims of inherent superiority given their biased and self-serving nature.

Thus, we should all be skeptical of claims of inherent superiority given their biased and self-serving nature.

I believe the “average” IQ of the population (world) is somewhere around 90 or so, with a standard deviation of 15 or so. This means that around 85% of the population has an IQ of less than 110 or so.

Those “gifted” (I use that term in a darkly ironic way) with elevated IQ have a twofold issue to deal with.

1) They are told to “live up to your potential”, but they are not supposed to feel superior or be condescending towards those who aren’t as heavily endowed, and are constantly “harped upon” to integrate socially in a “normal” way. Well, I’m a 4 sigma deviant and I KNOW I don’t integrate socially in a “normal” fashion. I also don’t tend to be disparaging for those who cannot keep up with me mentally, but I do get annoyed when it takes them significant time to grasp something that I already know. Especially when they need to grasp it for me to continue an explanation.

2) There is a disproportionately large burden placed upon these individuals because of their increased potential. This flies in the face of Number One logically, which tends to confuse and infuriate the intellectually superior High IQ person. Logic says if I do more, and the work is harder, than I should be compensated (which for many is not money, but respect and recognition of good work).

Whether this burden is placed upon these people via societal pressures, or personal acceptance of the duty to use your increased intelligence for “something”, High IQ’s tend to bring depression, manicness, bi-polar disorders, and a whole slew of mental and emotional issues that relate. Even worse, many of us find that treating these problems tend to has the side-effect of lowering your intelligence, talk about a repercussion to treatment!!

I agree with Jason in the sense that many High IQ examples fail to really tap into their abilities, instead simply synthesizing ideas by combining stuff that already exists in their environment. Truly creative insights are difficult and involve a lot of failure, something that many highly intelligent people have serious issues facing.

Once I was asked if I would trade places with someone that had a relatively normal IQ of roughly 110 or so. I replied No, but said the offer was tempting.

Can you imagine the peace and quiet of your brain not constantly processing?