Comments on: I Honestly Don’t See Any Way For the U.S. to Succeed http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed grep understanding Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:44:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Scott http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-254073 Scott Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:44:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-254073 <p>"That means only 1/3 of our high-school students are leaving at age 17-18 with the tools to be successful in college."</p> <p>No, but stating show proves you have poor analysis skills. Probably graduated from one of these schools, eh?</p> <p>Like millions of others, as soon as I could I dropped out of school and enrolled in college. Which is what most intelligent students interested in education have done.</p> <p>Dropping out of school is one of the best things a person interested in becoming well educated can do.</p> “That means only 1/3 of our high-school students are leaving at age 17-18 with the tools to be successful in college.”

No, but stating show proves you have poor analysis skills. Probably graduated from one of these schools, eh?

Like millions of others, as soon as I could I dropped out of school and enrolled in college. Which is what most intelligent students interested in education have done.

Dropping out of school is one of the best things a person interested in becoming well educated can do.

]]> By: Jason Sares http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139955 Jason Sares Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:26:48 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139955 <p>There's just not enough jobs to go around. When I lived in Cleveland I helped train people for tech jobs. Most of my students passed and we have done well in entry level jobs but they couldn't find any. So as a PR stunt for the Mayor at the time (Jane Campbell) we hired one at the company I worked for but we let him go a couple months later because we could get someone better for the same pay.</p> There’s just not enough jobs to go around. When I lived in Cleveland I helped train people for tech jobs. Most of my students passed and we have done well in entry level jobs but they couldn’t find any. So as a PR stunt for the Mayor at the time (Jane Campbell) we hired one at the company I worked for but we let him go a couple months later because we could get someone better for the same pay.

]]> By: Jason Sares http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251535 Jason Sares Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:26:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251535 <p>There's just not enough jobs to go around. When I lived in Cleveland I helped train people for tech jobs. Most of my students passed and we have done well in entry level jobs but they couldn't find any. So as a PR stunt for the Mayor at the time (Jane Campbell) we hired one at the company I worked for but we let him go a couple months later because we could get someone better for the same pay.</p> There’s just not enough jobs to go around. When I lived in Cleveland I helped train people for tech jobs. Most of my students passed and we have done well in entry level jobs but they couldn’t find any. So as a PR stunt for the Mayor at the time (Jane Campbell) we hired one at the company I worked for but we let him go a couple months later because we could get someone better for the same pay.

]]> By: TIMM http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139706 TIMM Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:39:01 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139706 <p>Another problem is that we've lowered the standards so NO ONE CAN FAIL. The result is that both achievers and underachievers are being lumped into the same category, too, too often. </p> <p>Or worse. Take for example the program where FAILING STUDENTS ARE BEING PAID TO GO TO SCHOOL.</p> <p>What does this say for the purpose of school? Is it really just to entertain mini-voter tax-veal/cattle until they can't reach out of the trenches and attack their future for the sake of their own prosperity?</p> <p>-=T=-</p> Another problem is that we’ve lowered the standards so NO ONE CAN FAIL. The result is that both achievers and underachievers are being lumped into the same category, too, too often.

Or worse. Take for example the program where FAILING STUDENTS ARE BEING PAID TO GO TO SCHOOL.

What does this say for the purpose of school? Is it really just to entertain mini-voter tax-veal/cattle until they can’t reach out of the trenches and attack their future for the sake of their own prosperity?

-=T=-

]]> By: TIMM http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251534 TIMM Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:39:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251534 <p>Another problem is that we've lowered the standards so NO ONE CAN FAIL. The result is that both achievers and underachievers are being lumped into the same category, too, too often. </p> <p>Or worse. Take for example the program where FAILING STUDENTS ARE BEING PAID TO GO TO SCHOOL.</p> <p>What does this say for the purpose of school? Is it really just to entertain mini-voter tax-veal/cattle until they can't reach out of the trenches and attack their future for the sake of their own prosperity?</p> <p>-=T=-</p> Another problem is that we’ve lowered the standards so NO ONE CAN FAIL. The result is that both achievers and underachievers are being lumped into the same category, too, too often.

Or worse. Take for example the program where FAILING STUDENTS ARE BEING PAID TO GO TO SCHOOL.

What does this say for the purpose of school? Is it really just to entertain mini-voter tax-veal/cattle until they can’t reach out of the trenches and attack their future for the sake of their own prosperity?

-=T=-

]]> By: ncloud http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139696 ncloud Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:46:45 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139696 <p>Dude, you need to check out the writings of John Taylor Gatto. The man was a New York school teacher for 30 years. He worked with rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, in private, public, and tutor teaching roles. At the end of 30 years he concluded that schools destroy kids by making them mindless drones that are easy to control, and that our education system was designed for precisely that reason. Check out his book "The Underground History of American Education".</p> Dude, you need to check out the writings of John Taylor Gatto. The man was a New York school teacher for 30 years. He worked with rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, in private, public, and tutor teaching roles. At the end of 30 years he concluded that schools destroy kids by making them mindless drones that are easy to control, and that our education system was designed for precisely that reason. Check out his book “The Underground History of American Education”.

]]> By: ncloud http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251533 ncloud Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:46:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251533 <p>Dude, you need to check out the writings of John Taylor Gatto. The man was a New York school teacher for 30 years. He worked with rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, in private, public, and tutor teaching roles. At the end of 30 years he concluded that schools destroy kids by making them mindless drones that are easy to control, and that our education system was designed for precisely that reason. Check out his book "The Underground History of American Education".</p> Dude, you need to check out the writings of John Taylor Gatto. The man was a New York school teacher for 30 years. He worked with rich kids, poor kids, middle class kids, in private, public, and tutor teaching roles. At the end of 30 years he concluded that schools destroy kids by making them mindless drones that are easy to control, and that our education system was designed for precisely that reason. Check out his book “The Underground History of American Education”.

]]> By: Maxo http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139548 Maxo Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:52:33 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139548 <p>I'm working on a blog entry about rethinking our education curriculum as a whole. The premise is that we are not teaching applicable life skills in school in the first place. Grade school should be preparing us for life, not for college. College should be for preparing us for jobs that require specific knowledge. Why should kids graduating high school know how to find the third side of a triangle, given two other sides, but not understand the interstate commerce clause?</p> I’m working on a blog entry about rethinking our education curriculum as a whole. The premise is that we are not teaching applicable life skills in school in the first place. Grade school should be preparing us for life, not for college. College should be for preparing us for jobs that require specific knowledge. Why should kids graduating high school know how to find the third side of a triangle, given two other sides, but not understand the interstate commerce clause?

]]> By: Maxo http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251532 Maxo Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:52:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251532 <p>I'm working on a blog entry about rethinking our education curriculum as a whole. The premise is that we are not teaching applicable life skills in school in the first place. Grade school should be preparing us for life, not for college. College should be for preparing us for jobs that require specific knowledge. Why should kids graduating high school know how to find the third side of a triangle, given two other sides, but not understand the interstate commerce clause?</p> I’m working on a blog entry about rethinking our education curriculum as a whole. The premise is that we are not teaching applicable life skills in school in the first place. Grade school should be preparing us for life, not for college. College should be for preparing us for jobs that require specific knowledge. Why should kids graduating high school know how to find the third side of a triangle, given two other sides, but not understand the interstate commerce clause?

]]> By: dale http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139467 dale Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:20:58 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139467 <p>I'm just glad we have quotas to make everything better</p> I’m just glad we have quotas to make everything better

]]> By: dale http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251531 dale Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:20:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251531 <p>I'm just glad we have quotas to make everything better</p> I’m just glad we have quotas to make everything better

]]> By: Katherine http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139437 Katherine Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:54:34 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139437 <p>Things are pretty bleak, but not quite as bleak as that. The reason is the skilled trades: electricians, plumbers, mechanics. These are jobs that don't require college but actually pay pretty well, and for work that the highly educated are increasingly unable/unwilling to do for themselves. These are also jobs that are impossible to offshore because they require physical presence at a location. </p> <p>These are also the jobs that people worried about illegal immigration are talking about when they talk about illegal immigrants taking jobs away from Americans.</p> Things are pretty bleak, but not quite as bleak as that. The reason is the skilled trades: electricians, plumbers, mechanics. These are jobs that don’t require college but actually pay pretty well, and for work that the highly educated are increasingly unable/unwilling to do for themselves. These are also jobs that are impossible to offshore because they require physical presence at a location.

These are also the jobs that people worried about illegal immigration are talking about when they talk about illegal immigrants taking jobs away from Americans.

]]> By: Katherine http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251530 Katherine Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:54:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251530 <p>Things are pretty bleak, but not quite as bleak as that. The reason is the skilled trades: electricians, plumbers, mechanics. These are jobs that don't require college but actually pay pretty well, and for work that the highly educated are increasingly unable/unwilling to do for themselves. These are also jobs that are impossible to offshore because they require physical presence at a location. </p> <p>These are also the jobs that people worried about illegal immigration are talking about when they talk about illegal immigrants taking jobs away from Americans.</p> Things are pretty bleak, but not quite as bleak as that. The reason is the skilled trades: electricians, plumbers, mechanics. These are jobs that don’t require college but actually pay pretty well, and for work that the highly educated are increasingly unable/unwilling to do for themselves. These are also jobs that are impossible to offshore because they require physical presence at a location.

These are also the jobs that people worried about illegal immigration are talking about when they talk about illegal immigrants taking jobs away from Americans.

]]> By: Arik http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139416 Arik Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:49:21 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139416 <p>Daniel,</p> <p>You simply have to see the movie "Idiocracy" by Mike Judge.</p> <p>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/</p> <p>-- Arik</p> Daniel,

You simply have to see the movie “Idiocracy” by Mike Judge.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

– Arik

]]> By: Arik http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251529 Arik Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:49:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251529 <p>Daniel,</p> <p>You simply have to see the movie "Idiocracy" by Mike Judge.</p> <p>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/</p> <p>-- Arik</p> Daniel,

You simply have to see the movie “Idiocracy” by Mike Judge.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

– Arik

]]> By: AJ http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-139409 AJ Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:34:05 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-139409 <p>An issue is No Child Left Behind. Its premise seems to be that a classroom is a chain and students are only as strong as the weakest link. Curriculum has been reformatted toward passing the all-powerful standardized tests. Creating a well-rounded individual is not a goal. Creativity is not a goal. Critical thinking is not a goal. Having children excel beyond expectations is counteracted. Teach to the test because a school's failure on the test can be devastating. It's no longer about nurturing individuals, but about keeping the school's test scores on par.</p> <p>My local state university offers a host of remedial courses in order to bring freshmen up to college requirements. In short, the university is teaching high school courses because school systems have failed our children. There was a time when a student worried about whether his academic scores were good enough to gain college admission.</p> An issue is No Child Left Behind. Its premise seems to be that a classroom is a chain and students are only as strong as the weakest link. Curriculum has been reformatted toward passing the all-powerful standardized tests. Creating a well-rounded individual is not a goal. Creativity is not a goal. Critical thinking is not a goal. Having children excel beyond expectations is counteracted. Teach to the test because a school’s failure on the test can be devastating. It’s no longer about nurturing individuals, but about keeping the school’s test scores on par.

My local state university offers a host of remedial courses in order to bring freshmen up to college requirements. In short, the university is teaching high school courses because school systems have failed our children. There was a time when a student worried about whether his academic scores were good enough to gain college admission.

]]> By: AJ http://danielmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed/comment-page-1#comment-251528 AJ Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:34:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/blog/i-honestly-dont-see-any-way-for-the-us-to-succeed#comment-251528 <p>An issue is No Child Left Behind. Its premise seems to be that a classroom is a chain and students are only as strong as the weakest link. Curriculum has been reformatted toward passing the all-powerful standardized tests. Creating a well-rounded individual is not a goal. Creativity is not a goal. Critical thinking is not a goal. Having children excel beyond expectations is counteracted. Teach to the test because a school's failure on the test can be devastating. It's no longer about nurturing individuals, but about keeping the school's test scores on par.</p> <p>My local state university offers a host of remedial courses in order to bring freshmen up to college requirements. In short, the university is teaching high school courses because school systems have failed our children. There was a time when a student worried about whether his academic scores were good enough to gain college admission.</p> An issue is No Child Left Behind. Its premise seems to be that a classroom is a chain and students are only as strong as the weakest link. Curriculum has been reformatted toward passing the all-powerful standardized tests. Creating a well-rounded individual is not a goal. Creativity is not a goal. Critical thinking is not a goal. Having children excel beyond expectations is counteracted. Teach to the test because a school’s failure on the test can be devastating. It’s no longer about nurturing individuals, but about keeping the school’s test scores on par.

My local state university offers a host of remedial courses in order to bring freshmen up to college requirements. In short, the university is teaching high school courses because school systems have failed our children. There was a time when a student worried about whether his academic scores were good enough to gain college admission.

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