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		<title>By: Gentoo vs. Debian &#124; matthias-sch &#8212; personal blog</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-243673</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentoo vs. Debian &#124; matthias-sch &#8212; personal blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Artikel von Daniel Miessler trifft voll und ganz auf meine Entscheidung zu, allerdings gibt es noch ein paar Punkte die mir [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: arnuld</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-241905</link>
		<dc:creator>arnuld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@dmiessler   -- I’ve found that distributions come down to one thing for me — the package manager&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does not work &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; for you but for everyone who belives in stability and maturity and intelligence. A Package Manager is th ehert of the OS. I have found the 3 package manager which I find good for me:  apt-get, pacman and emerge (not in any order). I still think apt-get wins over because ti was created a such  a long time ago when the digital age was not here. I have to admire the talent of Debian Community. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyt other package manager sucks, especially rpm (yum) .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dmiessler   &#8212; I’ve found that distributions come down to one thing for me — the package manager<br /><br /><br />It does not work <em>only</em> for you but for everyone who belives in stability and maturity and intelligence. A Package Manager is th ehert of the OS. I have found the 3 package manager which I find good for me:  apt-get, pacman and emerge (not in any order). I still think apt-get wins over because ti was created a such  a long time ago when the digital age was not here. I have to admire the talent of Debian Community. <br /><br />Everyt other package manager sucks, especially rpm (yum) .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: arnuld</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-240439</link>
		<dc:creator>arnuld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@dmiessler   -- I’ve found that distributions come down to one thing for me — the package manager&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does not work &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; for you but for everyone who belives in stability and maturity and intelligence. A Package Manager is th ehert of the OS. I have found the 3 package manager which I find good for me:  apt-get, pacman and emerge (not in any order). I still think apt-get wins over because ti was created a such  a long time ago when the digital age was not here. I have to admire the talent of Debian Community. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyt other package manager sucks, especially rpm (yum) .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dmiessler   &#8212; I’ve found that distributions come down to one thing for me — the package manager<br /><br /><br />It does not work <em>only</em> for you but for everyone who belives in stability and maturity and intelligence. A Package Manager is th ehert of the OS. I have found the 3 package manager which I find good for me:  apt-get, pacman and emerge (not in any order). I still think apt-get wins over because ti was created a such  a long time ago when the digital age was not here. I have to admire the talent of Debian Community. <br /><br />Everyt other package manager sucks, especially rpm (yum) .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-78112</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As Daniel stated, the link that you point to for Ubuntu is the wrong link.  It should be .com and not .org.  Just FYI.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On another note, I&#039;ve always been a big proponent of Linux, starting with Red Had in the early days (like everyone else), moving to then Mandrake, then to SuSE, then to Ubuntu, then finally, Debian.  I&#039;ve tried Gentoo and the *BSDs, Slackware, and odd distros here and there, but seem to fall back on the Debian way.  While Ubuntu will always be my Distro of Choice, Debian is running a hard an close 2nd.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Daniel stated, the link that you point to for Ubuntu is the wrong link.  It should be .com and not .org.  Just FYI.</p>

<p>On another note, I&#8217;ve always been a big proponent of Linux, starting with Red Had in the early days (like everyone else), moving to then Mandrake, then to SuSE, then to Ubuntu, then finally, Debian.  I&#8217;ve tried Gentoo and the *BSDs, Slackware, and odd distros here and there, but seem to fall back on the Debian way.  While Ubuntu will always be my Distro of Choice, Debian is running a hard an close 2nd.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-246224</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As Daniel stated, the link that you point to for Ubuntu is the wrong link.  It should be .com and not .org.  Just FYI.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On another note, I&#039;ve always been a big proponent of Linux, starting with Red Had in the early days (like everyone else), moving to then Mandrake, then to SuSE, then to Ubuntu, then finally, Debian.  I&#039;ve tried Gentoo and the *BSDs, Slackware, and odd distros here and there, but seem to fall back on the Debian way.  While Ubuntu will always be my Distro of Choice, Debian is running a hard an close 2nd.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Daniel stated, the link that you point to for Ubuntu is the wrong link.  It should be .com and not .org.  Just FYI.</p>

<p>On another note, I&#8217;ve always been a big proponent of Linux, starting with Red Had in the early days (like everyone else), moving to then Mandrake, then to SuSE, then to Ubuntu, then finally, Debian.  I&#8217;ve tried Gentoo and the *BSDs, Slackware, and odd distros here and there, but seem to fall back on the Debian way.  While Ubuntu will always be my Distro of Choice, Debian is running a hard an close 2nd.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-6694</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Daniel - the link you&#039;ve included in your article for Ubuntu is incorrect.  Your link points to ubuntu.org, when it should point to ubuntu.com.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &#8211; the link you&#8217;ve included in your article for Ubuntu is incorrect.  Your link points to ubuntu.org, when it should point to ubuntu.com.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-246223</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Daniel - the link you&#039;ve included in your article for Ubuntu is incorrect.  Your link points to ubuntu.org, when it should point to ubuntu.com.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel &#8211; the link you&#8217;ve included in your article for Ubuntu is incorrect.  Your link points to ubuntu.org, when it should point to ubuntu.com.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Daniel Miessler</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-6615</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comment, Tim. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Daniel Miessler</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-246222</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Miessler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comment, Tim. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-6611</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t feel bad about switching loyalties.  I started out with mandrake linux (which is a good &quot;starter linux&quot; I guess), and defended it&#039;s name when people would bash it.  However, I soon found out why people bash it, and (after adopting Debian) became a Mandrake basher myself.  Now (after a year or two reprieve), I&#039;ve adopted (Debian-based) Ubuntu as my linux of choice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s my reviews:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mandrake pros (at the time, ~1999-2000):
1) One click install.  Literally.  Boot the cd and the GUI install prompts you for a &quot;beginner&quot; or &quot;expert&quot; install.  Click beginner and walk away... A little while later it&#039;s asking you for a root password, user account info, and a reboot.
2) Very little configuration to deal with.  Most things &quot;just work&quot; right out of the box (but be careful modifying anything).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mandrake cons:
1) One click install or &lt;em&gt;complete&lt;/em&gt; interaction.  True, the beginner install is a one-click thing, but it installs a lot of crap you don&#039;t want.  The expert install allows you to customize, but it asks you about &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt;.  If I want to have a minimalist install but don&#039;t know how to configure something, you&#039;re just screwed.
2) Things break over time.  OOTB it runs well, but it&#039;s rather tweak-proof.  Mess up one thing and you&#039;ve got a dead distro.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Debian pros (at the time ~2000-2004):
(see Daniel&#039;s post)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Debian cons:
1) Install sux.  Try finding an unstable distro install cd that isn&#039;t custom tailored to someone else&#039;s needs (and thus is missing some driver you inevetably need).
2) Old software or broken packages.  There are three distros at any given time - &quot;stable&quot;, &quot;testing&quot;, and &quot;unstable&quot;.  Stable has archaic software (but the packages won&#039;t bork), Unstable has new software (but packages often bork).  Testing is somewhat of a middle ground, but sometimes it seems that it has all the problems of both distros and none of the benefits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ubuntu pros:
1) Power of Debian&#039;s apt package manager.
2) Ease of use -- most things &quot;just work&quot;
3) Synaptic PM.  It&#039;s a GUI front-end for apt (and it&#039;s probably been around since before Ubuntu), and it&#039;s awesome.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ubuntu Cons:
1) Installer.  Don&#039;t get me wrong -- It&#039;s good, but it&#039;s missing one key element.  It installs it&#039;s own set of packages and doesn&#039;t really care what you want.
2) Ubutu comes in 3 flavors:  Ubuntu (Gnome Desktop) Kubuntu (KDE desktop) and Xubuntu (xfe desktop).  Fairly nice, but they&#039;re on 3 different install disks.
3) Some features are hidden (at least on the GUI) to &quot;improve user friendliness&quot; -- which is a minor annoyance to those of us who wish to embrace these nice gui components that write .conf files for you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t feel bad about switching loyalties.  I started out with mandrake linux (which is a good &#8220;starter linux&#8221; I guess), and defended it&#8217;s name when people would bash it.  However, I soon found out why people bash it, and (after adopting Debian) became a Mandrake basher myself.  Now (after a year or two reprieve), I&#8217;ve adopted (Debian-based) Ubuntu as my linux of choice.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s my reviews:</p>

<p>Mandrake pros (at the time, ~1999-2000):
1) One click install.  Literally.  Boot the cd and the GUI install prompts you for a &#8220;beginner&#8221; or &#8220;expert&#8221; install.  Click beginner and walk away&#8230; A little while later it&#8217;s asking you for a root password, user account info, and a reboot.
2) Very little configuration to deal with.  Most things &#8220;just work&#8221; right out of the box (but be careful modifying anything).</p>

<p>Mandrake cons:
1) One click install or <em>complete</em> interaction.  True, the beginner install is a one-click thing, but it installs a lot of crap you don&#8217;t want.  The expert install allows you to customize, but it asks you about <em>everything</em>.  If I want to have a minimalist install but don&#8217;t know how to configure something, you&#8217;re just screwed.
2) Things break over time.  OOTB it runs well, but it&#8217;s rather tweak-proof.  Mess up one thing and you&#8217;ve got a dead distro.</p>

<p>Debian pros (at the time ~2000-2004):
(see Daniel&#8217;s post)</p>

<p>Debian cons:
1) Install sux.  Try finding an unstable distro install cd that isn&#8217;t custom tailored to someone else&#8217;s needs (and thus is missing some driver you inevetably need).
2) Old software or broken packages.  There are three distros at any given time &#8211; &#8220;stable&#8221;, &#8220;testing&#8221;, and &#8220;unstable&#8221;.  Stable has archaic software (but the packages won&#8217;t bork), Unstable has new software (but packages often bork).  Testing is somewhat of a middle ground, but sometimes it seems that it has all the problems of both distros and none of the benefits.</p>

<p>Ubuntu pros:
1) Power of Debian&#8217;s apt package manager.
2) Ease of use &#8212; most things &#8220;just work&#8221;
3) Synaptic PM.  It&#8217;s a GUI front-end for apt (and it&#8217;s probably been around since before Ubuntu), and it&#8217;s awesome.</p>

<p>Ubuntu Cons:
1) Installer.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; It&#8217;s good, but it&#8217;s missing one key element.  It installs it&#8217;s own set of packages and doesn&#8217;t really care what you want.
2) Ubutu comes in 3 flavors:  Ubuntu (Gnome Desktop) Kubuntu (KDE desktop) and Xubuntu (xfe desktop).  Fairly nice, but they&#8217;re on 3 different install disks.
3) Some features are hidden (at least on the GUI) to &#8220;improve user friendliness&#8221; &#8212; which is a minor annoyance to those of us who wish to embrace these nice gui components that write .conf files for you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/gentoo-vs-debian/comment-page-1#comment-246221</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t feel bad about switching loyalties.  I started out with mandrake linux (which is a good &quot;starter linux&quot; I guess), and defended it&#039;s name when people would bash it.  However, I soon found out why people bash it, and (after adopting Debian) became a Mandrake basher myself.  Now (after a year or two reprieve), I&#039;ve adopted (Debian-based) Ubuntu as my linux of choice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s my reviews:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mandrake pros (at the time, ~1999-2000):
1) One click install.  Literally.  Boot the cd and the GUI install prompts you for a &quot;beginner&quot; or &quot;expert&quot; install.  Click beginner and walk away... A little while later it&#039;s asking you for a root password, user account info, and a reboot.
2) Very little configuration to deal with.  Most things &quot;just work&quot; right out of the box (but be careful modifying anything).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mandrake cons:
1) One click install or &lt;em&gt;complete&lt;/em&gt; interaction.  True, the beginner install is a one-click thing, but it installs a lot of crap you don&#039;t want.  The expert install allows you to customize, but it asks you about &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt;.  If I want to have a minimalist install but don&#039;t know how to configure something, you&#039;re just screwed.
2) Things break over time.  OOTB it runs well, but it&#039;s rather tweak-proof.  Mess up one thing and you&#039;ve got a dead distro.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Debian pros (at the time ~2000-2004):
(see Daniel&#039;s post)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Debian cons:
1) Install sux.  Try finding an unstable distro install cd that isn&#039;t custom tailored to someone else&#039;s needs (and thus is missing some driver you inevetably need).
2) Old software or broken packages.  There are three distros at any given time - &quot;stable&quot;, &quot;testing&quot;, and &quot;unstable&quot;.  Stable has archaic software (but the packages won&#039;t bork), Unstable has new software (but packages often bork).  Testing is somewhat of a middle ground, but sometimes it seems that it has all the problems of both distros and none of the benefits.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ubuntu pros:
1) Power of Debian&#039;s apt package manager.
2) Ease of use -- most things &quot;just work&quot;
3) Synaptic PM.  It&#039;s a GUI front-end for apt (and it&#039;s probably been around since before Ubuntu), and it&#039;s awesome.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ubuntu Cons:
1) Installer.  Don&#039;t get me wrong -- It&#039;s good, but it&#039;s missing one key element.  It installs it&#039;s own set of packages and doesn&#039;t really care what you want.
2) Ubutu comes in 3 flavors:  Ubuntu (Gnome Desktop) Kubuntu (KDE desktop) and Xubuntu (xfe desktop).  Fairly nice, but they&#039;re on 3 different install disks.
3) Some features are hidden (at least on the GUI) to &quot;improve user friendliness&quot; -- which is a minor annoyance to those of us who wish to embrace these nice gui components that write .conf files for you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t feel bad about switching loyalties.  I started out with mandrake linux (which is a good &#8220;starter linux&#8221; I guess), and defended it&#8217;s name when people would bash it.  However, I soon found out why people bash it, and (after adopting Debian) became a Mandrake basher myself.  Now (after a year or two reprieve), I&#8217;ve adopted (Debian-based) Ubuntu as my linux of choice.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s my reviews:</p>

<p>Mandrake pros (at the time, ~1999-2000):
1) One click install.  Literally.  Boot the cd and the GUI install prompts you for a &#8220;beginner&#8221; or &#8220;expert&#8221; install.  Click beginner and walk away&#8230; A little while later it&#8217;s asking you for a root password, user account info, and a reboot.
2) Very little configuration to deal with.  Most things &#8220;just work&#8221; right out of the box (but be careful modifying anything).</p>

<p>Mandrake cons:
1) One click install or <em>complete</em> interaction.  True, the beginner install is a one-click thing, but it installs a lot of crap you don&#8217;t want.  The expert install allows you to customize, but it asks you about <em>everything</em>.  If I want to have a minimalist install but don&#8217;t know how to configure something, you&#8217;re just screwed.
2) Things break over time.  OOTB it runs well, but it&#8217;s rather tweak-proof.  Mess up one thing and you&#8217;ve got a dead distro.</p>

<p>Debian pros (at the time ~2000-2004):
(see Daniel&#8217;s post)</p>

<p>Debian cons:
1) Install sux.  Try finding an unstable distro install cd that isn&#8217;t custom tailored to someone else&#8217;s needs (and thus is missing some driver you inevetably need).
2) Old software or broken packages.  There are three distros at any given time &#8211; &#8220;stable&#8221;, &#8220;testing&#8221;, and &#8220;unstable&#8221;.  Stable has archaic software (but the packages won&#8217;t bork), Unstable has new software (but packages often bork).  Testing is somewhat of a middle ground, but sometimes it seems that it has all the problems of both distros and none of the benefits.</p>

<p>Ubuntu pros:
1) Power of Debian&#8217;s apt package manager.
2) Ease of use &#8212; most things &#8220;just work&#8221;
3) Synaptic PM.  It&#8217;s a GUI front-end for apt (and it&#8217;s probably been around since before Ubuntu), and it&#8217;s awesome.</p>

<p>Ubuntu Cons:
1) Installer.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; It&#8217;s good, but it&#8217;s missing one key element.  It installs it&#8217;s own set of packages and doesn&#8217;t really care what you want.
2) Ubutu comes in 3 flavors:  Ubuntu (Gnome Desktop) Kubuntu (KDE desktop) and Xubuntu (xfe desktop).  Fairly nice, but they&#8217;re on 3 different install disks.
3) Some features are hidden (at least on the GUI) to &#8220;improve user friendliness&#8221; &#8212; which is a minor annoyance to those of us who wish to embrace these nice gui components that write .conf files for you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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