Comments on: Free Will Increasingly Debunked By Science http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science grep understanding Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:44:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Christine http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science/comment-page-1#comment-162754 Christine Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:56:46 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/archives/1244#comment-162754 <p>Do you think that this experiment was really carried out? It sounds very plausible at first glance but alternate situations bring up questions. For instance, take a person who knows the exact details of this experiment. If he, perhaps, is determined to raise his right hand all the time to counter this experiment, I cannot conceptualize the experiment being done on him and he somehow "forced" to raise his left hand. It seems illogical, and I don't see how this experiment could have been conceived in real life.</p> <p>A possible explanation to that would be to say that the past factors of the person (i.e. the knowledge that they had) influenced the person to the extent that he would raise his right hand instead, rather than fall back on the notion of free will? The idea's hard to conceptualize though, and it would be interesting seeing said experiment being tested.</p> Do you think that this experiment was really carried out? It sounds very plausible at first glance but alternate situations bring up questions. For instance, take a person who knows the exact details of this experiment. If he, perhaps, is determined to raise his right hand all the time to counter this experiment, I cannot conceptualize the experiment being done on him and he somehow “forced” to raise his left hand. It seems illogical, and I don’t see how this experiment could have been conceived in real life.

A possible explanation to that would be to say that the past factors of the person (i.e. the knowledge that they had) influenced the person to the extent that he would raise his right hand instead, rather than fall back on the notion of free will? The idea’s hard to conceptualize though, and it would be interesting seeing said experiment being tested.

]]> By: Christine http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science/comment-page-1#comment-247237 Christine Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:56:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/archives/1244#comment-247237 <p>Do you think that this experiment was really carried out? It sounds very plausible at first glance but alternate situations bring up questions. For instance, take a person who knows the exact details of this experiment. If he, perhaps, is determined to raise his right hand all the time to counter this experiment, I cannot conceptualize the experiment being done on him and he somehow "forced" to raise his left hand. It seems illogical, and I don't see how this experiment could have been conceived in real life.</p> <p>A possible explanation to that would be to say that the past factors of the person (i.e. the knowledge that they had) influenced the person to the extent that he would raise his right hand instead, rather than fall back on the notion of free will? The idea's hard to conceptualize though, and it would be interesting seeing said experiment being tested.</p> Do you think that this experiment was really carried out? It sounds very plausible at first glance but alternate situations bring up questions. For instance, take a person who knows the exact details of this experiment. If he, perhaps, is determined to raise his right hand all the time to counter this experiment, I cannot conceptualize the experiment being done on him and he somehow “forced” to raise his left hand. It seems illogical, and I don’t see how this experiment could have been conceived in real life.

A possible explanation to that would be to say that the past factors of the person (i.e. the knowledge that they had) influenced the person to the extent that he would raise his right hand instead, rather than fall back on the notion of free will? The idea’s hard to conceptualize though, and it would be interesting seeing said experiment being tested.

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]]> By: Daniel Miessler http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science/comment-page-1#comment-43450 Daniel Miessler Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:48:08 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/archives/1244#comment-43450 <p>Are you from the future?</p> <p>j/k</p> <p>Anyway, yeah, it does depend on what we define as free will. But the point is that most will agree that one is exercising it (whatever it is) when they elect to raise either their right or left hand as in the experiment.</p> <p>I think it does directly contradict that notion if it can be shown that scientists can influence that decision directly while the person still THINKS they're acting independently.</p> Are you from the future?

j/k

Anyway, yeah, it does depend on what we define as free will. But the point is that most will agree that one is exercising it (whatever it is) when they elect to raise either their right or left hand as in the experiment.

I think it does directly contradict that notion if it can be shown that scientists can influence that decision directly while the person still THINKS they’re acting independently.

]]> By: Daniel Miessler http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science/comment-page-1#comment-247236 Daniel Miessler Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:48:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/archives/1244#comment-247236 <p>Are you from the future?</p> <p>j/k</p> <p>Anyway, yeah, it does depend on what we define as free will. But the point is that most will agree that one is exercising it (whatever it is) when they elect to raise either their right or left hand as in the experiment.</p> <p>I think it does directly contradict that notion if it can be shown that scientists can influence that decision directly while the person still THINKS they're acting independently.</p> Are you from the future?

j/k

Anyway, yeah, it does depend on what we define as free will. But the point is that most will agree that one is exercising it (whatever it is) when they elect to raise either their right or left hand as in the experiment.

I think it does directly contradict that notion if it can be shown that scientists can influence that decision directly while the person still THINKS they’re acting independently.

]]> By: Time Traveller http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science/comment-page-1#comment-43442 Time Traveller Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:31:49 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/archives/1244#comment-43442 <p>The most you can make of this experiment is that it is incosistent with a popular understanding of what free will is. Just because the subject thinks ( incorrectly )he has free will in one instance doesn't exactly prove the whole idea wrong..but maybe I just wrote this note because someone forced me to.</p> The most you can make of this experiment is that it is incosistent with a popular understanding of what free will is. Just because the subject thinks ( incorrectly )he has free will in one instance doesn’t exactly prove the whole idea wrong..but maybe I just wrote this note because someone forced me to.

]]> By: Time Traveller http://danielmiessler.com/blog/free-will-increasingly-debunked-by-science/comment-page-1#comment-247235 Time Traveller Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:31:00 +0000 http://dmiessler.com/archives/1244#comment-247235 <p>The most you can make of this experiment is that it is incosistent with a popular understanding of what free will is. Just because the subject thinks ( incorrectly )he has free will in one instance doesn't exactly prove the whole idea wrong..but maybe I just wrote this note because someone forced me to.</p> The most you can make of this experiment is that it is incosistent with a popular understanding of what free will is. Just because the subject thinks ( incorrectly )he has free will in one instance doesn’t exactly prove the whole idea wrong..but maybe I just wrote this note because someone forced me to.

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