• http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    Before anyone shows up, I do realize that most peoples’ idea of “original content” meets a very low standard. I agree that we don’t need Digg and Reddit flooded with, “Wow, I really like dogs!” — or any number of other random, mundane thoughts.

    I also agree that any of those submissions should be modded down accordingly. The key issue at hand is that they should be modded down for their content — not simply because they submitted the item themselves.

  • http://dmiessler.com Daniel Miessler

    Before anyone shows up, I do realize that most peoples’ idea of “original content” meets a very low standard. I agree that we don’t need Digg and Reddit flooded with, “Wow, I really like dogs!” — or any number of other random, mundane thoughts.

    I also agree that any of those submissions should be modded down accordingly. The key issue at hand is that they should be modded down for their content — not simply because they submitted the item themselves.

  • http://draves.org/ spot

    an example of this happening on digg recently: http://digg.com/space/Awsome_space_wallpapers_set

  • http://draves.org spot

    an example of this happening on digg recently: http://digg.com/space/Awsome_space_wallpapers_set

  • overlord

    Funny that this article complains about repetitive, mediocre content when your article is exactly that, repetitive, mediocre content. You say a lot without really saying anything other than you dislike blogspam and this topic has been posted 1000 times already daily by a bunch of people just like you who never have anything interesting to say except complain about everyone else!

    Why not try writing an article that actually has something insightful to say about something original instead of this overdone whiny dribble. Most sites that are spam already usually get modded down and never see the light of day anyway.

  • overlord

    Funny that this article complains about repetitive, mediocre content when your article is exactly that, repetitive, mediocre content. You say a lot without really saying anything other than you dislike blogspam and this topic has been posted 1000 times already daily by a bunch of people just like you who never have anything interesting to say except complain about everyone else!

    Why not try writing an article that actually has something insightful to say about something original instead of this overdone whiny dribble. Most sites that are spam already usually get modded down and never see the light of day anyway.

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  • http://bugninja.blogspot.com BenMc

    The fact that this story moved up the Reddit rank shows that other agree with this point.

    And the real point isn’t “don’t write dull blogs” it’s to not vote up stories that are not pointing to the “original content”. He’s not really saying, “only write original content”.

    Had he put a viral video embedded in this blog post and dugg the story, and tried to make it to the homepage of digg and reddit so people would click his Adsense ads instead of YouTube’s, THEN this blog would have met the criteria stated.

  • Ben Mc

    The fact that this story moved up the Reddit rank shows that other agree with this point.

    And the real point isn’t “don’t write dull blogs” it’s to not vote up stories that are not pointing to the “original content”. He’s not really saying, “only write original content”.

    Had he put a viral video embedded in this blog post and dugg the story, and tried to make it to the homepage of digg and reddit so people would click his Adsense ads instead of YouTube’s, THEN this blog would have met the criteria stated.

  • http://thepriceofturnips.blogspot.com/ Bill

    You’re wasting your time writing about this. Digg and Reddit are moving closer and closer to mainstream mediocrity every day, and as their user bases increase, so too does the basic plebian satisfaction with what they offer. The front page of Reddit is drastically different to what it was a year ago, and any attempt to open a discussion on the subject is met with the usual tyranny of the majority – “If it makes the front page, then more people liked it than … blah, blah, blah…

    The reality is, most of the new crop of Redditers and Diggers are happy to read tripe and stare in wonder at yet another snowflake, without caring where the content is hosted, just like a huge proportion of TV viewers are content to watch reality TV show after reality TV show without complaining.

    It’s time for those looking for the real deal to move back to the fringes in search of another home, and surrender the Reddit and Digg battlefields to the masses.

  • http://thepriceofturnips.blogspot.com/ Bill

    You’re wasting your time writing about this. Digg and Reddit are moving closer and closer to mainstream mediocrity every day, and as their user bases increase, so too does the basic plebian satisfaction with what they offer. The front page of Reddit is drastically different to what it was a year ago, and any attempt to open a discussion on the subject is met with the usual tyranny of the majority – “If it makes the front page, then more people liked it than … blah, blah, blah…

    The reality is, most of the new crop of Redditers and Diggers are happy to read tripe and stare in wonder at yet another snowflake, without caring where the content is hosted, just like a huge proportion of TV viewers are content to watch reality TV show after reality TV show without complaining.

    It’s time for those looking for the real deal to move back to the fringes in search of another home, and surrender the Reddit and Digg battlefields to the masses.

  • http://thepriceofturnips.blogspot.com/ Bill

    A quick follow up.

    I just noticed that the above commentator ‘Overlord’, who took the time to complain about YOUR repetitive, mediocre content, also took the time to copy and paste his own comment into Reddit. Nicely done!

  • http://thepriceofturnips.blogspot.com/ Bill

    A quick follow up.

    I just noticed that the above commentator ‘Overlord’, who took the time to complain about YOUR repetitive, mediocre content, also took the time to copy and paste his own comment into Reddit. Nicely done!

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    Bill, that’s funny… LOL

    BenMC, where shall we go? You want to make something? Let’s do it.

  • http://dmiessler.com Daniel Miessler

    Bill, that’s funny… LOL

    BenMC, where shall we go? You want to make something? Let’s do it.

  • Joe Mussorgsky

    Nice blogspam, pal!

  • Joe Mussorgsky

    Nice blogspam, pal!

  • http://kamangir.wordpress.com/ Arash

    This was just fantastic. We have the same problem in the Iranian digg, Balatarin (www.Balatarin.com).

  • http://kamangir.wordpress.com Arash

    This was just fantastic. We have the same problem in the Iranian digg, Balatarin (www.Balatarin.com).

  • curious2

    Don’t go too far, check out clipmarks.com

  • curious2

    Don’t go too far, check out clipmarks.com

  • Withheld

    A great example of this kind of shit was an “article” that made Reddit’s front page the other day. It was nothing but content yanked from a post on some forum. What made it noteworthy to me was that the site that snarfed the content and made it to reddit’s front page was a FUCKING LOLITA-COMPLEX WEBSITE! Yeah, that’s right. I thought about submitting a link to the original forum post, but the damn loli site already had several hundred points, so it was a bit late for that.

  • Withheld

    A great example of this kind of shit was an “article” that made Reddit’s front page the other day. It was nothing but content yanked from a post on some forum. What made it noteworthy to me was that the site that snarfed the content and made it to reddit’s front page was a FUCKING LOLITA-COMPLEX WEBSITE! Yeah, that’s right. I thought about submitting a link to the original forum post, but the damn loli site already had several hundred points, so it was a bit late for that.

  • http://penguinpetes.com/ Penguin Pete

    Uh, you do realize that it’s all a huge sham, right? That Digg, Reddit, Netscape, etc. are spam-mills all bought out? If there’s money to be made on theft, it will be stolen. Check Copyscape; see if this post doesn’t pop up somewhere else in a few weeks. I wouldn’t even see it as ironic anymore.

    And be sure to drop by an online freelancer site and check the bids for spamming jobs – yes, for a few hundred dollars, you too can hire your own crafty online thief, who will get your site to the top of every social site on the web – when stealing, simply make sure the content is older than 20 years and you’re guaranteed to not be caught, because people’s memories aren’t supposed to go back that far. You can also hire your chorus of commenters to flame anybody who protests.

    This ripping sites off is small potatos. Check http://www.comedycorner.org/15.html, with 20 pieces ripped directly out of the “Sniglets” book series popular in the 1980′s, without a single nod to Rich Hall, and with some other slimeball’s name on it. This just got linked http://humor.netscape.com/story/2006/12/23/20-words-that-should-exist from Netscape this week, with 13 comments all pretending that it was written this week by the genious who runs the site. I’d sooner believe in the Tooth Fairy than tell me that not a single person on Netscape knows about Rich Hall and Sniglets. BECAUSE THEY KNOW; BECAUSE THEY”R POCKETING THE MONEY FROM THE ADS. There is no such thing as a person who submits blog spam and does not know the difference.

    Meanwhile, the RIAA sues you if you hum one of their songs in your sleep…

    I’ve been cooking an essay on simply persuading people not to link to the SAME TEN pieces of blogspam every single week, but it’s still percolating… good luck with your site!

  • http://penguinpetes.com/ Penguin Pete

    Uh, you do realize that it’s all a huge sham, right? That Digg, Reddit, Netscape, etc. are spam-mills all bought out? If there’s money to be made on theft, it will be stolen. Check Copyscape; see if this post doesn’t pop up somewhere else in a few weeks. I wouldn’t even see it as ironic anymore.

    And be sure to drop by an online freelancer site and check the bids for spamming jobs – yes, for a few hundred dollars, you too can hire your own crafty online thief, who will get your site to the top of every social site on the web – when stealing, simply make sure the content is older than 20 years and you’re guaranteed to not be caught, because people’s memories aren’t supposed to go back that far. You can also hire your chorus of commenters to flame anybody who protests.

    This ripping sites off is small potatos. Check http://www.comedycorner.org/15.html, with 20 pieces ripped directly out of the “Sniglets” book series popular in the 1980′s, without a single nod to Rich Hall, and with some other slimeball’s name on it. This just got linked http://humor.netscape.com/story/2006/12/23/20-words-that-should-exist from Netscape this week, with 13 comments all pretending that it was written this week by the genious who runs the site. I’d sooner believe in the Tooth Fairy than tell me that not a single person on Netscape knows about Rich Hall and Sniglets. BECAUSE THEY KNOW; BECAUSE THEY”R POCKETING THE MONEY FROM THE ADS. There is no such thing as a person who submits blog spam and does not know the difference.

    Meanwhile, the RIAA sues you if you hum one of their songs in your sleep…

    I’ve been cooking an essay on simply persuading people not to link to the SAME TEN pieces of blogspam every single week, but it’s still percolating… good luck with your site!

  • http://darwinweb.net/ Gabe da Silveira

    Complaining about the ignorance of the digg/reddit masses is like holding back a tsunami. Social news sites grow daily and become more populist accordingly. By itself that will have a significant effect on quality, but the systems are also incredibly easy to manipulate with sock puppet accounts.

    Sites like digg and reddit have value as throw-away entertainment, but they are no substitute for serious journalism or small community blogs and sites.

  • http://darwinweb.net/ Gabe

    Complaining about the ignorance of the digg/reddit masses is like holding back a tsunami. Social news sites grow daily and become more populist accordingly. By itself that will have a significant effect on quality, but the systems are also incredibly easy to manipulate with sock puppet accounts.

    Sites like digg and reddit have value as throw-away entertainment, but they are no substitute for serious journalism or small community blogs and sites.

  • smokinsteve

    What the hell is “impartial democracy”? Since when was democracy impartial? I always thought that when you vote for something, you’re showing what you’re partial to. Oh brother, what a load of bollocks.

  • smokinsteve

    What the hell is “impartial democracy”? Since when was democracy impartial? I always thought that when you vote for something, you’re showing what you’re partial to. Oh brother, what a load of bollocks.

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    An “impartial democracy” would be one where (hypothetically) — a bunch of people got together and decided to sway a vote one way or another in order to further their own agenda. Luckily for us no such system exists on Digg or Reddit. ;)

    But perhaps you’re right about the word impartial; I should have used “untainted” or something to that effect. You should go hang out at Slashdot, by the way — they’re short a few negative people.

  • http://dmiessler.com Daniel Miessler

    An “impartial democracy” would be one where (hypothetically) — a bunch of people got together and decided to sway a vote one way or another in order to further their own agenda. Luckily for us no such system exists on Digg or Reddit. ;)

    But perhaps you’re right about the word impartial; I should have used “untainted” or something to that effect. You should go hang out at Slashdot, by the way — they’re short a few negative people.

  • http://www.friedbeef.com/ Friedbeef

    True, true, I completely agree with you… but the issue is that Digg is policed by users, who tend to a bit overzealous when hitting the bury button… getting a mass of people to change won’t be easy if at all possible

  • http://www.friedbeef.com Friedbeef

    True, true, I completely agree with you… but the issue is that Digg is policed by users, who tend to a bit overzealous when hitting the bury button… getting a mass of people to change won’t be easy if at all possible

  • Behemothaur

    I put a link to this on my blog and posted it to Reddit & Digg.

  • Behemothaur

    I put a link to this on my blog and posted it to Reddit & Digg.

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    LOL

  • http://dmiessler.com Daniel Miessler

    LOL

  • http://dakshesh.hi5.com/ Fcuk You

    Full of crap. Atleast write something relevant. F**K you.

  • http://dakshesh.hi5.com Fcuk You

    Full of crap. Atleast write something relevant. F**K you.

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    Excellent, thanks for contributing.

  • http://dmiessler.com Daniel Miessler

    Excellent, thanks for contributing.

  • http://t00ls.blogspot.com/ Jibran Ilyas

    Dan, I’ve been a fan of this site ever since i discoverd your primers on the tools i use the most. Thank you for the priceless tips and writeups.

    Secondly, I agree that the charm of sites like digg/reddit is going down by the day. I go to these sites to get the ‘best of the web’ … now if you create something that qualifies in that category but it doesn’t get discovered, then the whole community missing out. I strongly agree that people should be allowed to submit their content (truly original ofcourse) and not be flamed or frowned upon. I hope we fix this so that the people with original stuff can be comfortable sharing their content; i think this will encourage a lot of digg/reddit readers to come up with ‘original stuff’ of their own and contribute in this wonderful web community. Bill, i agree with “The reality is, most of the new crop of Redditers and Diggers are happy to read tripe and stare in wonder at yet another snowflake, without caring where the content is hosted”. However, it only takes one idiot to ruin a thread and then, all we see is people flaming each other rather than discussing the actual content. Hence, we do need a place where promoting personal content is welcomed.

  • http://t00ls.blogspot.com Jibran Ilyas

    Dan, I’ve been a fan of this site ever since i discoverd your primers on the tools i use the most. Thank you for the priceless tips and writeups.

    Secondly, I agree that the charm of sites like digg/reddit is going down by the day. I go to these sites to get the ‘best of the web’ … now if you create something that qualifies in that category but it doesn’t get discovered, then the whole community missing out. I strongly agree that people should be allowed to submit their content (truly original ofcourse) and not be flamed or frowned upon. I hope we fix this so that the people with original stuff can be comfortable sharing their content; i think this will encourage a lot of digg/reddit readers to come up with ‘original stuff’ of their own and contribute in this wonderful web community. Bill, i agree with “The reality is, most of the new crop of Redditers and Diggers are happy to read tripe and stare in wonder at yet another snowflake, without caring where the content is hosted”. However, it only takes one idiot to ruin a thread and then, all we see is people flaming each other rather than discussing the actual content. Hence, we do need a place where promoting personal content is welcomed.

  • http://atunu.blogspot.com/ Naser

    So, basically you want to say that we can blog about something that has been previously blogged, but can’t submit that blog post of mine to social bookmarking site because it wasn’t original enough?

    Then, how come that special youtube video is being branded as original? What if someone sucked the video off from google-vid or some other site that previously hosted it, uploaded it to youtube and included a subliminal message that prompts the viewer to visit a specific site/page once the video finishes! Isn’t that kind of a spam too?

    Blatantly…I don’t think blogspam can be granted such a ubiquitous status

  • http://atunu.blogspot.com Naser

    So, basically you want to say that we can blog about something that has been previously blogged, but can’t submit that blog post of mine to social bookmarking site because it wasn’t original enough?

    Then, how come that special youtube video is being branded as original? What if someone sucked the video off from google-vid or some other site that previously hosted it, uploaded it to youtube and included a subliminal message that prompts the viewer to visit a specific site/page once the video finishes! Isn’t that kind of a spam too?

    Blatantly…I don’t think blogspam can be granted such a ubiquitous status

  • http://torchwolf.wordpress.com/ Torchwolf

    I love the point that writers submit their work to publishers, they don’t wait for it to be magically discovered.

    That’s one of those lightbulb moments for me.

    I must admit I feel guilty even pointing out to my own friends, “Oh I blogged something about our mutual interest X, that I think you’d really like.”

    I guess for every spammer, there’s plenty of us that feel enough self-doubt that we shrink back too far from any kind of promotion of ourselves or our work.

    As for Digg/Reddit, well if your tastes differ from the tastes of the majority, then voting will never identify what you’d most like to have highlighted to you.

    What we need is somehow just the votes of people that share our tastes and interests. And in a way, that’s what a blogroll is, isn’t it?

    I also find Delicious is useful. The stuff that is bookmarked by people who marked the same pages I did is usually a great source of really interesting material.

    Maybe someone can figure out a way to combine our blogrolls and our Delicious tagging patterns to find people that like what we like, and then flag what they rate highly to us.

    Heck, that’s a great idea for a Web 2.0 business.

    I almost want to not tell you, and instead go do it myself.

  • http://torchwolf.wordpress.com/ Torchwolf

    I love the point that writers submit their work to publishers, they don’t wait for it to be magically discovered.

    That’s one of those lightbulb moments for me.

    I must admit I feel guilty even pointing out to my own friends, “Oh I blogged something about our mutual interest X, that I think you’d really like.”

    I guess for every spammer, there’s plenty of us that feel enough self-doubt that we shrink back too far from any kind of promotion of ourselves or our work.

    As for Digg/Reddit, well if your tastes differ from the tastes of the majority, then voting will never identify what you’d most like to have highlighted to you.

    What we need is somehow just the votes of people that share our tastes and interests. And in a way, that’s what a blogroll is, isn’t it?

    I also find Delicious is useful. The stuff that is bookmarked by people who marked the same pages I did is usually a great source of really interesting material.

    Maybe someone can figure out a way to combine our blogrolls and our Delicious tagging patterns to find people that like what we like, and then flag what they rate highly to us.

    Heck, that’s a great idea for a Web 2.0 business.

    I almost want to not tell you, and instead go do it myself.

  • http://www.pollburner.com/ Nate

    I read this article and am curious as to what the readers of digg / reddit think about how these sites are being use for true content or blogspam.

    http://www.pollburner.com/takePoll.php?id=6a81218e8501

  • http://www.pollburner.com Nate

    I read this article and am curious as to what the readers of digg / reddit think about how these sites are being use for true content or blogspam.

    http://www.pollburner.com/takePoll.php?id=6a81218e8501

  • Deference

    Well, okay, Dave, good stuff but could you give specific examples of blogspamming.

    Do sites like Infowars and PrisonPlanet meet the criteria you’ve spoken of in your opinion and is that consistant with actual Digg action / policy from?

    Thanks for your time.


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