Comments on: Happiness: Creation vs. Collection http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection grep understanding Tue, 15 May 2012 12:09:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Steve http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-254990 Steve Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:32:00 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-254990 <p>I am in agreement overall. Reminds me that I need to re-read my copy of the War of Art, which isnt just about creating art.. its about doing the work that your soul/being, whatever is calling you to do, instead of the path of least resistance type stuff like more tv, or buying more stuff...</p> <p>His sequel to war of art (Do the work) is due out soon and his deal might still be active where the ebook version, for now, is free on amazon.</p> I am in agreement overall. Reminds me that I need to re-read my copy of the War of Art, which isnt just about creating art.. its about doing the work that your soul/being, whatever is calling you to do, instead of the path of least resistance type stuff like more tv, or buying more stuff…

His sequel to war of art (Do the work) is due out soon and his deal might still be active where the ebook version, for now, is free on amazon.

]]> By: cooperati http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-244422 cooperati Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:29:36 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-244422 <p>Way back, say 20 years ago, in our conversations on the amphitheatre steps, I seem to remember a similar comparison between creators and consumers. In those orations we found that consumers weren't aware of their situation, or of their obligation in general. <br><br>Perhaps it is so with collectors. I know I am not as creative as I could be, because of my choices that also prohibit the practice of those abilities, and that I am both a consumer as a product of those choices, and a collector in collaboration with who I chose to do what I have been doing. <br><br>However, it can be said that people in certain situations that go against their natural inclinations will be less happy. And, furthermore, people unable to extricate themselves from their situation will be even less happy, having been made aware of their problem, either through personal analysis or external intervention. And, even in the event they are not made aware of any conflict, the intrusion of non-conducive characteristics against their optimal nature will clutter and degrade the mechanism they are maturing into. <br><br>Like flakes of metal in an engine, wearing down the gears, cylinders, and piston rings from the shafts to the crank, impeding progress until peak performance is lost and inevitably impossible. <br><br>But, then, that isn't a concept everyone concerns themselves with. <br><br>Perhaps collectors who lack organizational skills that can create a concept or education out of their collection are simply clutterers, which is in general against human productivity. <br><br>(Sorry if I've gone the long way about this, but I just woke up.)<br><br>-=T=-</p> Way back, say 20 years ago, in our conversations on the amphitheatre steps, I seem to remember a similar comparison between creators and consumers. In those orations we found that consumers weren't aware of their situation, or of their obligation in general.

Perhaps it is so with collectors. I know I am not as creative as I could be, because of my choices that also prohibit the practice of those abilities, and that I am both a consumer as a product of those choices, and a collector in collaboration with who I chose to do what I have been doing.

However, it can be said that people in certain situations that go against their natural inclinations will be less happy. And, furthermore, people unable to extricate themselves from their situation will be even less happy, having been made aware of their problem, either through personal analysis or external intervention. And, even in the event they are not made aware of any conflict, the intrusion of non-conducive characteristics against their optimal nature will clutter and degrade the mechanism they are maturing into.

Like flakes of metal in an engine, wearing down the gears, cylinders, and piston rings from the shafts to the crank, impeding progress until peak performance is lost and inevitably impossible.

But, then, that isn't a concept everyone concerns themselves with.

Perhaps collectors who lack organizational skills that can create a concept or education out of their collection are simply clutterers, which is in general against human productivity.

(Sorry if I've gone the long way about this, but I just woke up.)

-=T=-

]]> By: cooperati http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-243709 cooperati Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:29:36 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-243709 <p>Way back, say 20 years ago, in our conversations on the amphitheatre steps, I seem to remember a similar comparison between creators and consumers. In those orations we found that consumers weren't aware of their situation, or of their obligation in general. <br><br>Perhaps it is so with collectors. I know I am not as creative as I could be, because of my choices that also prohibit the practice of those abilities, and that I am both a consumer as a product of those choices, and a collector in collaboration with who I chose to do what I have been doing. <br><br>However, it can be said that people in certain situations that go against their natural inclinations will be less happy. And, furthermore, people unable to extricate themselves from their situation will be even less happy, having been made aware of their problem, either through personal analysis or external intervention. And, even in the event they are not made aware of any conflict, the intrusion of non-conducive characteristics against their optimal nature will clutter and degrade the mechanism they are maturing into. <br><br>Like flakes of metal in an engine, wearing down the gears, cylinders, and piston rings from the shafts to the crank, impeding progress until peak performance is lost and inevitably impossible. <br><br>But, then, that isn't a concept everyone concerns themselves with. <br><br>Perhaps collectors who lack organizational skills that can create a concept or education out of their collection are simply clutterers, which is in general against human productivity. <br><br>(Sorry if I've gone the long way about this, but I just woke up.)<br><br>-=T=-</p> Way back, say 20 years ago, in our conversations on the amphitheatre steps, I seem to remember a similar comparison between creators and consumers. In those orations we found that consumers weren't aware of their situation, or of their obligation in general.

Perhaps it is so with collectors. I know I am not as creative as I could be, because of my choices that also prohibit the practice of those abilities, and that I am both a consumer as a product of those choices, and a collector in collaboration with who I chose to do what I have been doing.

However, it can be said that people in certain situations that go against their natural inclinations will be less happy. And, furthermore, people unable to extricate themselves from their situation will be even less happy, having been made aware of their problem, either through personal analysis or external intervention. And, even in the event they are not made aware of any conflict, the intrusion of non-conducive characteristics against their optimal nature will clutter and degrade the mechanism they are maturing into.

Like flakes of metal in an engine, wearing down the gears, cylinders, and piston rings from the shafts to the crank, impeding progress until peak performance is lost and inevitably impossible.

But, then, that isn't a concept everyone concerns themselves with.

Perhaps collectors who lack organizational skills that can create a concept or education out of their collection are simply clutterers, which is in general against human productivity.

(Sorry if I've gone the long way about this, but I just woke up.)

-=T=-

]]> By: Daniel Miessler http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-243703 Daniel Miessler Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:17:54 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-243703 <p>Ah, good point. Edited.</p> Ah, good point. Edited.

]]> By: CarlM http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-243702 CarlM Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:15:45 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-243702 <p>Absolutely .. observations are worth making. It's the labeling them as "truisms" that is problematic (look up the word).</p> Absolutely .. observations are worth making. It's the labeling them as “truisms” that is problematic (look up the word).

]]> By: Daniel Miessler http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-243701 Daniel Miessler Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:09:11 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-243701 <p>Agree on all points.<br><br>But I think observations are worth making--even if they aren't precise. Perhaps I should add more language to illustrate that this is a random though for discussion, not a hardened theory---more like my tweet I did, where I prefaced it with "Observation: yadda yadda".</p> Agree on all points.

But I think observations are worth making–even if they aren't precise. Perhaps I should add more language to illustrate that this is a random though for discussion, not a hardened theory—more like my tweet I did, where I prefaced it with “Observation: yadda yadda”.

]]> By: CarlM http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection/comment-page-1#comment-243700 CarlM Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:28:46 +0000 http://danielmiessler.com/blog/creation-vs-collection#comment-243700 <p>Daniel, you have a habit of oversimplifying. <br>--<br>Note to blog readers. Yes, he has the right to oversimplify in his blog. I'm not questioning that. What follows is the response I'd give him if we were in conversation (which in fact we are). <br>--<br><br>You admit that creators are not universally happy and point at obsessive creators as a counterexample. You then turn to collectors and assert that "I think the truism does hold in the opposite direction" ... apparently because you perceive that ALL collectors are obsessive collectors. This simply isn't true (nor is it true that collectors don't like themselves). So, perhaps your premise is that those who are obsessive (in any context) tend to be less happy than those who are not obsessive. Perhaps.<br><br>---<br><br>Those who don't like logical analysis, please stop reading now.<br><br>---<br><br>All men are human. This doesn't mean that all humans are men.<br><br>Daniel, if the unhappy people you know all seem to be collectors, this does not imply that all of the collectors you know are unhappy. <br><br>---<br><br>You've also introduced a false dichotomy. You've implied that people are EITHER collectors or creators when in fact they can be one or the other or neither or both (all to varying degrees). <br><br>---</p> Daniel, you have a habit of oversimplifying.
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Note to blog readers. Yes, he has the right to oversimplify in his blog. I'm not questioning that. What follows is the response I'd give him if we were in conversation (which in fact we are).
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You admit that creators are not universally happy and point at obsessive creators as a counterexample. You then turn to collectors and assert that “I think the truism does hold in the opposite direction” … apparently because you perceive that ALL collectors are obsessive collectors. This simply isn't true (nor is it true that collectors don't like themselves). So, perhaps your premise is that those who are obsessive (in any context) tend to be less happy than those who are not obsessive. Perhaps.

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Those who don't like logical analysis, please stop reading now.

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All men are human. This doesn't mean that all humans are men.

Daniel, if the unhappy people you know all seem to be collectors, this does not imply that all of the collectors you know are unhappy.

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You've also introduced a false dichotomy. You've implied that people are EITHER collectors or creators when in fact they can be one or the other or neither or both (all to varying degrees).

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