Catholics Use Obama as an Example of Why Not to Have an Abortion

By Daniel Miessler on January 30th, 2009: Tagged as Abortion | Obama | Politics
  • Maxo

    The reality is that the value of a human life is not proportional to how successful they are at attaining wealth or power, which is really why the argument fails. This argument is just as good as, “Don't have abortions, because if you look at Jimmy, he ended up working at a copy shop, had good friends, and led a mostly happy life. He also drove a car.”

  • http://dmiessler.com/ Daniel Miessler

    Who said anything about wealth or power? That's not even part of the argument. We're talking about NOT living a life of feeling pain yourself, and causing pain in others. Big difference.

    We're not trying to achieve a certain level of success here; we're trying to avoid a certain level of suffering. And by this we mostly mean the suffering of the unwanted/uncared-for child.

    Think logically, man. Do you really think the pain of being aborted compares to the suffering felt by a child who grows up in a broken home? No. Hell no. Hell fucking no. It's insane to even consider these as equals.

    Go read the newspaper and take a sampling of the pain you see. Now compare that to the pain of falling off of a roof, or being kicked in the balls. One is physical, and one is deeply emotional and disruptive to society.

    Can you really compare these two things? All based on a spiritual foundation rather than a practical one?

    Think about it, man. It makes no sense whatsoever. Any moral person would give their life (especially before they even had one) to avoid a high percentage chance of 1) living a life of suffering, and 2) causing suffering in others.

    Seriously. I beg you to reconsider.

  • http://brooksgarrett.com brooksgarrett

    All I said was it was amazing. It is very interesting to see what different people take away from the same video.

    Good fodder for thought. I unfortunately did not consider the message of the video as much as the organization producing it. Therein, for me, lies the humor and irony of the situation.

  • http://brooksgarrett.com brooksgarrett

    All I said was it was amazing. It is very interesting to see what different people take away from the same video.

    Good fodder for thought. I unfortunately did not consider the message of the video as much as the organization producing it. Therein, for me, lies the humor and irony of the situation.

  • John Monroe

    The argument in the video is absurd. It is also not really Catholic in essence, since genuine Catholic teaching (which is freely available in the Catechism and Encyclopedia and especially many recent works by the last twenty popes, in countless libraries full of scholarly writings by intellectuals whose works were built upon again and again over the course of two-thousand years) is that all human life is sacred and worthwhile, and that worldly success is emphatically not the measure of human worth. Yet, your argument is even more absurd. You post these little snippets of garbage by confused laymen because you think strawmen like this make your views look good to your all-too-friendly audience. You wouldn't dare post an essay by Joseph Ratzinger and attempt to provide a full and honest critique in a room full of your moral enemies. The makers of this clip were just trying to be clever, but failed. At least I know they would never presume to judge who should live and who should die, unlike you. You think suffering is shameful, and I think that is shameful. You would angrily tell one who suffers, “You should never have been born!” Then you criticize good people for bringing suffering into the world? You bring suffering into the world with your heartlessness and thoughtlessness. Instead of giving people strength and hope, you try to make them hate themselves as much as you hate them. You have nothing but excuses, god damnit. All I see is a proud man trying to justify his own hatred for life with the masks of logic and altruism. I guessed as soon as I saw that your argument was a confused mess. First you say killing early human life is justifiable because you are a seer who can foresee what will become of a man's life, what he will experience and how he should react, and to hell with him if he should choose to find joy when you know that joy is impossible! Then you say that early human life is not alive! Which is it? Do you even have a position, or are you just throwing all the popular bad arguments out there? Of course, the biological knowledge of human development is crystal clear. You insult everyone's intelligence with your ridiculous statement that killing early human life is no different than male masturbation. But perhaps you never studied biology. New human life, and of course this applies to all life, comes into existence at conception, not before… But you are not honest, I think. Or maybe willingly obtuse. It matters not. I grow tired of these games. Behold the result of forty years with absolutely no serious public debate, and the gradual fanaticism of at least one side (I know which), until reason is utterly dead.


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