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		<title>By: billy</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-240151</link>
		<dc:creator>billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thats awesome about the &quot;bad kids&quot; thing&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: billy</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250166</link>
		<dc:creator>billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thats awesome about the &quot;bad kids&quot; thing&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Adelaide</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-145403</link>
		<dc:creator>Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for this article. You&#039;ve done an awesome job at relaying everything that I&#039;ve thought for years. I was born in Norway(Stavanger), but am now in the US, and there are some glaring examples of why I will eventually move back to Norway to retire. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for your opinion!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for this article. You&#8217;ve done an awesome job at relaying everything that I&#8217;ve thought for years. I was born in Norway(Stavanger), but am now in the US, and there are some glaring examples of why I will eventually move back to Norway to retire. </p>

<p>Thanks so much for your opinion!</p>
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		<title>By: Adelaide</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250165</link>
		<dc:creator>Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for this article. You&#039;ve done an awesome job at relaying everything that I&#039;ve thought for years. I was born in Norway(Stavanger), but am now in the US, and there are some glaring examples of why I will eventually move back to Norway to retire. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for your opinion!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for this article. You&#8217;ve done an awesome job at relaying everything that I&#8217;ve thought for years. I was born in Norway(Stavanger), but am now in the US, and there are some glaring examples of why I will eventually move back to Norway to retire. </p>

<p>Thanks so much for your opinion!</p>
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		<title>By: Helga</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-121790</link>
		<dc:creator>Helga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a strange article.  Norway will never even be a comparison to the USA.  They are a small country with limited resources.  Yes it has a nice population, who all know that the oil resources will be drying up in probably the next decade.  They have the highest taxes of any country in the world and the rate of depression is monumental.  The kids aren&#039;t doing so great either.  They have a very high rates of early death, drug and (home made) alcohol abuse. Medicine is free, but not really.  Try to get into see a specialist, and you would be better off flying to NYC for quality care.  Of course you would have to pay for it out of pocket, but why not?  It is your life and health after all.  Women of Norway have the highest rate of ostroprosis in the world.  Most people of Norway have to suffer through long dark winters and work and toil 11 months a year just to have enough money to get out of there for a month.  Saving for 11 months a year and not living happily everyday, isn&#039;t most people&#039;s idea of wonderful living. The USA will never be a socialist nation, and thank God for that.  I&#039;d rather live in any country in Europe than live in Norway, and I&#039;ve lived in many.  People get delusional when they think one or two things can equal the freedom of high taxation they face in Norway.  Try to buy a car...the taxes double the price.  There is a reason why there is only 4.6 million people living there and the world is not knocking down the doors to get in; and it isn&#039;t all that great.  It cracks me up every time I see these people thinking they even compare.  Face it, you just don&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a strange article.  Norway will never even be a comparison to the USA.  They are a small country with limited resources.  Yes it has a nice population, who all know that the oil resources will be drying up in probably the next decade.  They have the highest taxes of any country in the world and the rate of depression is monumental.  The kids aren&#8217;t doing so great either.  They have a very high rates of early death, drug and (home made) alcohol abuse. Medicine is free, but not really.  Try to get into see a specialist, and you would be better off flying to NYC for quality care.  Of course you would have to pay for it out of pocket, but why not?  It is your life and health after all.  Women of Norway have the highest rate of ostroprosis in the world.  Most people of Norway have to suffer through long dark winters and work and toil 11 months a year just to have enough money to get out of there for a month.  Saving for 11 months a year and not living happily everyday, isn&#8217;t most people&#8217;s idea of wonderful living. The USA will never be a socialist nation, and thank God for that.  I&#8217;d rather live in any country in Europe than live in Norway, and I&#8217;ve lived in many.  People get delusional when they think one or two things can equal the freedom of high taxation they face in Norway.  Try to buy a car&#8230;the taxes double the price.  There is a reason why there is only 4.6 million people living there and the world is not knocking down the doors to get in; and it isn&#8217;t all that great.  It cracks me up every time I see these people thinking they even compare.  Face it, you just don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Helga</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250164</link>
		<dc:creator>Helga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a strange article.  Norway will never even be a comparison to the USA.  They are a small country with limited resources.  Yes it has a nice population, who all know that the oil resources will be drying up in probably the next decade.  They have the highest taxes of any country in the world and the rate of depression is monumental.  The kids aren&#039;t doing so great either.  They have a very high rates of early death, drug and (home made) alcohol abuse. Medicine is free, but not really.  Try to get into see a specialist, and you would be better off flying to NYC for quality care.  Of course you would have to pay for it out of pocket, but why not?  It is your life and health after all.  Women of Norway have the highest rate of ostroprosis in the world.  Most people of Norway have to suffer through long dark winters and work and toil 11 months a year just to have enough money to get out of there for a month.  Saving for 11 months a year and not living happily everyday, isn&#039;t most people&#039;s idea of wonderful living. The USA will never be a socialist nation, and thank God for that.  I&#039;d rather live in any country in Europe than live in Norway, and I&#039;ve lived in many.  People get delusional when they think one or two things can equal the freedom of high taxation they face in Norway.  Try to buy a car...the taxes double the price.  There is a reason why there is only 4.6 million people living there and the world is not knocking down the doors to get in; and it isn&#039;t all that great.  It cracks me up every time I see these people thinking they even compare.  Face it, you just don&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a strange article.  Norway will never even be a comparison to the USA.  They are a small country with limited resources.  Yes it has a nice population, who all know that the oil resources will be drying up in probably the next decade.  They have the highest taxes of any country in the world and the rate of depression is monumental.  The kids aren&#8217;t doing so great either.  They have a very high rates of early death, drug and (home made) alcohol abuse. Medicine is free, but not really.  Try to get into see a specialist, and you would be better off flying to NYC for quality care.  Of course you would have to pay for it out of pocket, but why not?  It is your life and health after all.  Women of Norway have the highest rate of ostroprosis in the world.  Most people of Norway have to suffer through long dark winters and work and toil 11 months a year just to have enough money to get out of there for a month.  Saving for 11 months a year and not living happily everyday, isn&#8217;t most people&#8217;s idea of wonderful living. The USA will never be a socialist nation, and thank God for that.  I&#8217;d rather live in any country in Europe than live in Norway, and I&#8217;ve lived in many.  People get delusional when they think one or two things can equal the freedom of high taxation they face in Norway.  Try to buy a car&#8230;the taxes double the price.  There is a reason why there is only 4.6 million people living there and the world is not knocking down the doors to get in; and it isn&#8217;t all that great.  It cracks me up every time I see these people thinking they even compare.  Face it, you just don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxo</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-98830</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a former member of the Florida Socialists you can imagine I have pretty strong feelings on it.
First Socialism can meen so many things that it&#039;s really hard to pin down this or that as socialist.  It&#039;s like Linux, there are many flavors of the same thing that can be customized to no end.
It&#039;s also important to understand what socialism is.  It is both an economic policy and a social policy.  This is different than capitalism which is strictly an economic policy, though it&#039;s ideals can be borrowed for economic policies.
In capitalism you have the survival of the fittest, law of the jungle.  The government keeps its hands off and the citizens fight each other to be on the top.  One of the caveats to capitalism is that monopolies destroy the whole system.
In socialism the community work together for the common good.  This can take place in many different formats.  You can have a commune of people who have direct personal relationships with each other.  This is akin to what the Amish do.
Or it can take place through a representative democracy, where people pay taxes and the government, through elected leaders that are held accountable by citizens, takes care of the needs of the people.  This is akin to what we do.  We have labor laws, public education, tax incentives, government subsidies, etc.  These are all socialistic services that we as tax payers pay in to our elected officials to oversee the needs of our society.  Sometimes these are succesful, sometimes they are not.
One thing that&#039;s really important is that socialism is not put in the hands of a dictator or anyone else who has no responsibility to the public it is suppose to represent.  Once this happens everything immediately falls apart and it turns from a socialist society to a totalitarian state.  This is where communism always goes wrong.  Once a communist government is built is almost immediately ceases to be a socialist government.
Another thing that is important is that the government must represent a small group.  The needs of people is almost always localised and what works in one area may not work elsewhere.  This is why it is important in our country for the power to exist primarily at the state and local level and not at the federal level.  What works in Florida may or may not work in Seatle.  And why should the people in Florida be dictating what the people in Seatle do anyways?
Finally, it is also important that in a socialist society that rules/laws/whatever be directed at social policies for the community, and not in running others lives.  Telling everyone they must chip in to keep the schools running is ok, telling two men they can&#039;t marry is not.  There&#039;s a difference in running the communities and running each others lives.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former member of the Florida Socialists you can imagine I have pretty strong feelings on it.
First Socialism can meen so many things that it&#8217;s really hard to pin down this or that as socialist.  It&#8217;s like Linux, there are many flavors of the same thing that can be customized to no end.
It&#8217;s also important to understand what socialism is.  It is both an economic policy and a social policy.  This is different than capitalism which is strictly an economic policy, though it&#8217;s ideals can be borrowed for economic policies.
In capitalism you have the survival of the fittest, law of the jungle.  The government keeps its hands off and the citizens fight each other to be on the top.  One of the caveats to capitalism is that monopolies destroy the whole system.
In socialism the community work together for the common good.  This can take place in many different formats.  You can have a commune of people who have direct personal relationships with each other.  This is akin to what the Amish do.
Or it can take place through a representative democracy, where people pay taxes and the government, through elected leaders that are held accountable by citizens, takes care of the needs of the people.  This is akin to what we do.  We have labor laws, public education, tax incentives, government subsidies, etc.  These are all socialistic services that we as tax payers pay in to our elected officials to oversee the needs of our society.  Sometimes these are succesful, sometimes they are not.
One thing that&#8217;s really important is that socialism is not put in the hands of a dictator or anyone else who has no responsibility to the public it is suppose to represent.  Once this happens everything immediately falls apart and it turns from a socialist society to a totalitarian state.  This is where communism always goes wrong.  Once a communist government is built is almost immediately ceases to be a socialist government.
Another thing that is important is that the government must represent a small group.  The needs of people is almost always localised and what works in one area may not work elsewhere.  This is why it is important in our country for the power to exist primarily at the state and local level and not at the federal level.  What works in Florida may or may not work in Seatle.  And why should the people in Florida be dictating what the people in Seatle do anyways?
Finally, it is also important that in a socialist society that rules/laws/whatever be directed at social policies for the community, and not in running others lives.  Telling everyone they must chip in to keep the schools running is ok, telling two men they can&#8217;t marry is not.  There&#8217;s a difference in running the communities and running each others lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxo</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250163</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a former member of the Florida Socialists you can imagine I have pretty strong feelings on it.
First Socialism can meen so many things that it&#039;s really hard to pin down this or that as socialist.  It&#039;s like Linux, there are many flavors of the same thing that can be customized to no end.
It&#039;s also important to understand what socialism is.  It is both an economic policy and a social policy.  This is different than capitalism which is strictly an economic policy, though it&#039;s ideals can be borrowed for economic policies.
In capitalism you have the survival of the fittest, law of the jungle.  The government keeps its hands off and the citizens fight each other to be on the top.  One of the caveats to capitalism is that monopolies destroy the whole system.
In socialism the community work together for the common good.  This can take place in many different formats.  You can have a commune of people who have direct personal relationships with each other.  This is akin to what the Amish do.
Or it can take place through a representative democracy, where people pay taxes and the government, through elected leaders that are held accountable by citizens, takes care of the needs of the people.  This is akin to what we do.  We have labor laws, public education, tax incentives, government subsidies, etc.  These are all socialistic services that we as tax payers pay in to our elected officials to oversee the needs of our society.  Sometimes these are succesful, sometimes they are not.
One thing that&#039;s really important is that socialism is not put in the hands of a dictator or anyone else who has no responsibility to the public it is suppose to represent.  Once this happens everything immediately falls apart and it turns from a socialist society to a totalitarian state.  This is where communism always goes wrong.  Once a communist government is built is almost immediately ceases to be a socialist government.
Another thing that is important is that the government must represent a small group.  The needs of people is almost always localised and what works in one area may not work elsewhere.  This is why it is important in our country for the power to exist primarily at the state and local level and not at the federal level.  What works in Florida may or may not work in Seatle.  And why should the people in Florida be dictating what the people in Seatle do anyways?
Finally, it is also important that in a socialist society that rules/laws/whatever be directed at social policies for the community, and not in running others lives.  Telling everyone they must chip in to keep the schools running is ok, telling two men they can&#039;t marry is not.  There&#039;s a difference in running the communities and running each others lives.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former member of the Florida Socialists you can imagine I have pretty strong feelings on it.
First Socialism can meen so many things that it&#8217;s really hard to pin down this or that as socialist.  It&#8217;s like Linux, there are many flavors of the same thing that can be customized to no end.
It&#8217;s also important to understand what socialism is.  It is both an economic policy and a social policy.  This is different than capitalism which is strictly an economic policy, though it&#8217;s ideals can be borrowed for economic policies.
In capitalism you have the survival of the fittest, law of the jungle.  The government keeps its hands off and the citizens fight each other to be on the top.  One of the caveats to capitalism is that monopolies destroy the whole system.
In socialism the community work together for the common good.  This can take place in many different formats.  You can have a commune of people who have direct personal relationships with each other.  This is akin to what the Amish do.
Or it can take place through a representative democracy, where people pay taxes and the government, through elected leaders that are held accountable by citizens, takes care of the needs of the people.  This is akin to what we do.  We have labor laws, public education, tax incentives, government subsidies, etc.  These are all socialistic services that we as tax payers pay in to our elected officials to oversee the needs of our society.  Sometimes these are succesful, sometimes they are not.
One thing that&#8217;s really important is that socialism is not put in the hands of a dictator or anyone else who has no responsibility to the public it is suppose to represent.  Once this happens everything immediately falls apart and it turns from a socialist society to a totalitarian state.  This is where communism always goes wrong.  Once a communist government is built is almost immediately ceases to be a socialist government.
Another thing that is important is that the government must represent a small group.  The needs of people is almost always localised and what works in one area may not work elsewhere.  This is why it is important in our country for the power to exist primarily at the state and local level and not at the federal level.  What works in Florida may or may not work in Seatle.  And why should the people in Florida be dictating what the people in Seatle do anyways?
Finally, it is also important that in a socialist society that rules/laws/whatever be directed at social policies for the community, and not in running others lives.  Telling everyone they must chip in to keep the schools running is ok, telling two men they can&#8217;t marry is not.  There&#8217;s a difference in running the communities and running each others lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-97760</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s so bad about high taxes? First off, one way or another you pay for stuff. If your taxes are high, your society offers more benefits and that means less you have to buy with your own money. How many Americans go broke paying for health care, or paying extra for private education because they can&#039;t find a worthwhile public school?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly, let&#039;s stop and think about what money really is. People think they work for &quot;their&quot; money and then the government &quot;takes&quot; some of it as taxes. However, if it were not for the government, you would not have the job you have making the money you make, because there would not be a stable civilization on which people could build businesses and careers. This is especially true if you make your living in an intellectual field. Try being a web site developer in a country with an unstable government and see how far you get with it. Imagine being a musician or a software developer or a movie producer in a country that doesn&#039;t have the resources to enforce copyright laws. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Government and industry work together to provide the citizenry with a certain standard of living. How much &quot;money&quot; you end up earning and/or paying in taxes isn&#039;t the point. The point is the benefits you get at the end of the day. If you can go home to a heated house, eat a good meal, and get a doctor to take care of you when you&#039;re ill, you&#039;re better off than most of the world. If you can afford a car and a computer you&#039;re wealthy by global standards. Stop complaining about your $9 pint of beer and start thinking about people who don&#039;t even have clean water to drink.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s so bad about high taxes? First off, one way or another you pay for stuff. If your taxes are high, your society offers more benefits and that means less you have to buy with your own money. How many Americans go broke paying for health care, or paying extra for private education because they can&#8217;t find a worthwhile public school?</p>

<p>Secondly, let&#8217;s stop and think about what money really is. People think they work for &#8220;their&#8221; money and then the government &#8220;takes&#8221; some of it as taxes. However, if it were not for the government, you would not have the job you have making the money you make, because there would not be a stable civilization on which people could build businesses and careers. This is especially true if you make your living in an intellectual field. Try being a web site developer in a country with an unstable government and see how far you get with it. Imagine being a musician or a software developer or a movie producer in a country that doesn&#8217;t have the resources to enforce copyright laws. </p>

<p>Government and industry work together to provide the citizenry with a certain standard of living. How much &#8220;money&#8221; you end up earning and/or paying in taxes isn&#8217;t the point. The point is the benefits you get at the end of the day. If you can go home to a heated house, eat a good meal, and get a doctor to take care of you when you&#8217;re ill, you&#8217;re better off than most of the world. If you can afford a car and a computer you&#8217;re wealthy by global standards. Stop complaining about your $9 pint of beer and start thinking about people who don&#8217;t even have clean water to drink.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250162</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What&#039;s so bad about high taxes? First off, one way or another you pay for stuff. If your taxes are high, your society offers more benefits and that means less you have to buy with your own money. How many Americans go broke paying for health care, or paying extra for private education because they can&#039;t find a worthwhile public school?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly, let&#039;s stop and think about what money really is. People think they work for &quot;their&quot; money and then the government &quot;takes&quot; some of it as taxes. However, if it were not for the government, you would not have the job you have making the money you make, because there would not be a stable civilization on which people could build businesses and careers. This is especially true if you make your living in an intellectual field. Try being a web site developer in a country with an unstable government and see how far you get with it. Imagine being a musician or a software developer or a movie producer in a country that doesn&#039;t have the resources to enforce copyright laws. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Government and industry work together to provide the citizenry with a certain standard of living. How much &quot;money&quot; you end up earning and/or paying in taxes isn&#039;t the point. The point is the benefits you get at the end of the day. If you can go home to a heated house, eat a good meal, and get a doctor to take care of you when you&#039;re ill, you&#039;re better off than most of the world. If you can afford a car and a computer you&#039;re wealthy by global standards. Stop complaining about your $9 pint of beer and start thinking about people who don&#039;t even have clean water to drink.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s so bad about high taxes? First off, one way or another you pay for stuff. If your taxes are high, your society offers more benefits and that means less you have to buy with your own money. How many Americans go broke paying for health care, or paying extra for private education because they can&#8217;t find a worthwhile public school?</p>

<p>Secondly, let&#8217;s stop and think about what money really is. People think they work for &#8220;their&#8221; money and then the government &#8220;takes&#8221; some of it as taxes. However, if it were not for the government, you would not have the job you have making the money you make, because there would not be a stable civilization on which people could build businesses and careers. This is especially true if you make your living in an intellectual field. Try being a web site developer in a country with an unstable government and see how far you get with it. Imagine being a musician or a software developer or a movie producer in a country that doesn&#8217;t have the resources to enforce copyright laws. </p>

<p>Government and industry work together to provide the citizenry with a certain standard of living. How much &#8220;money&#8221; you end up earning and/or paying in taxes isn&#8217;t the point. The point is the benefits you get at the end of the day. If you can go home to a heated house, eat a good meal, and get a doctor to take care of you when you&#8217;re ill, you&#8217;re better off than most of the world. If you can afford a car and a computer you&#8217;re wealthy by global standards. Stop complaining about your $9 pint of beer and start thinking about people who don&#8217;t even have clean water to drink.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-97722</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I lived in Norway for five years until recently.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with your post to an extent, but Norway Is not the Utopia you think it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Norway&#039;s Health care and social programs are second to none, in my opinion, but at what cost? The staggering amount of money it cost to simply live there is mind boggling. Even though Norwegians earn good salaries, most is eaten in taxes, bureaucracy and and the &lt;strong&gt;high&lt;/strong&gt; cost of living, leaving little and often nothing at the end of the month for most.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To give you an idea, the typical price for a pint beer out in town is about 9.00 USD. The cheapest set of snow tires set me back about 1,000 USD, due to road taxes and sur charges. I Wont talk even about the high cost of essentials such as radiated produce, meats (cheap beef at 20.00 USD a pound) and simple paper products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Norway is also the drug capital of Europe and boast the ugly fact that one out of every four women are battered. Between Norway and Finland, they have the highest suicide rate in the world.Fail an IQ test and you risk loosing your children. The way the children act in th US and Norway is roughly the same, along with the same consequences if you correct your child in a way deemed inappropriate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I enjoyed my experience in Norway and met many articulate and well educated people, as most Norwegians are.I understood one thing though, if one wants real financial and personal independence, the Norwegian system is stacked against them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe that the USA still has many great people living there, yet between sheets of CNN, our government&#039;s corruption and continual propaganda againts our personal lives,you would think that we are all American idiots.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ron Paul2008&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Norway for five years until recently.</p>

<p>I agree with your post to an extent, but Norway Is not the Utopia you think it is.</p>

<p>Norway&#8217;s Health care and social programs are second to none, in my opinion, but at what cost? The staggering amount of money it cost to simply live there is mind boggling. Even though Norwegians earn good salaries, most is eaten in taxes, bureaucracy and and the <strong>high</strong> cost of living, leaving little and often nothing at the end of the month for most.</p>

<p>To give you an idea, the typical price for a pint beer out in town is about 9.00 USD. The cheapest set of snow tires set me back about 1,000 USD, due to road taxes and sur charges. I Wont talk even about the high cost of essentials such as radiated produce, meats (cheap beef at 20.00 USD a pound) and simple paper products.</p>

<p>Norway is also the drug capital of Europe and boast the ugly fact that one out of every four women are battered. Between Norway and Finland, they have the highest suicide rate in the world.Fail an IQ test and you risk loosing your children. The way the children act in th US and Norway is roughly the same, along with the same consequences if you correct your child in a way deemed inappropriate.</p>

<p>I enjoyed my experience in Norway and met many articulate and well educated people, as most Norwegians are.I understood one thing though, if one wants real financial and personal independence, the Norwegian system is stacked against them.</p>

<p>I believe that the USA still has many great people living there, yet between sheets of CNN, our government&#8217;s corruption and continual propaganda againts our personal lives,you would think that we are all American idiots.</p>

<p>Thanks!!</p>

<p>Ron Paul2008</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I lived in Norway for five years until recently.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with your post to an extent, but Norway Is not the Utopia you think it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Norway&#039;s Health care and social programs are second to none, in my opinion, but at what cost? The staggering amount of money it cost to simply live there is mind boggling. Even though Norwegians earn good salaries, most is eaten in taxes, bureaucracy and and the &lt;strong&gt;high&lt;/strong&gt; cost of living, leaving little and often nothing at the end of the month for most.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To give you an idea, the typical price for a pint beer out in town is about 9.00 USD. The cheapest set of snow tires set me back about 1,000 USD, due to road taxes and sur charges. I Wont talk even about the high cost of essentials such as radiated produce, meats (cheap beef at 20.00 USD a pound) and simple paper products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Norway is also the drug capital of Europe and boast the ugly fact that one out of every four women are battered. Between Norway and Finland, they have the highest suicide rate in the world.Fail an IQ test and you risk loosing your children. The way the children act in th US and Norway is roughly the same, along with the same consequences if you correct your child in a way deemed inappropriate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I enjoyed my experience in Norway and met many articulate and well educated people, as most Norwegians are.I understood one thing though, if one wants real financial and personal independence, the Norwegian system is stacked against them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe that the USA still has many great people living there, yet between sheets of CNN, our government&#039;s corruption and continual propaganda againts our personal lives,you would think that we are all American idiots.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ron Paul2008&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Norway for five years until recently.</p>

<p>I agree with your post to an extent, but Norway Is not the Utopia you think it is.</p>

<p>Norway&#8217;s Health care and social programs are second to none, in my opinion, but at what cost? The staggering amount of money it cost to simply live there is mind boggling. Even though Norwegians earn good salaries, most is eaten in taxes, bureaucracy and and the <strong>high</strong> cost of living, leaving little and often nothing at the end of the month for most.</p>

<p>To give you an idea, the typical price for a pint beer out in town is about 9.00 USD. The cheapest set of snow tires set me back about 1,000 USD, due to road taxes and sur charges. I Wont talk even about the high cost of essentials such as radiated produce, meats (cheap beef at 20.00 USD a pound) and simple paper products.</p>

<p>Norway is also the drug capital of Europe and boast the ugly fact that one out of every four women are battered. Between Norway and Finland, they have the highest suicide rate in the world.Fail an IQ test and you risk loosing your children. The way the children act in th US and Norway is roughly the same, along with the same consequences if you correct your child in a way deemed inappropriate.</p>

<p>I enjoyed my experience in Norway and met many articulate and well educated people, as most Norwegians are.I understood one thing though, if one wants real financial and personal independence, the Norwegian system is stacked against them.</p>

<p>I believe that the USA still has many great people living there, yet between sheets of CNN, our government&#8217;s corruption and continual propaganda againts our personal lives,you would think that we are all American idiots.</p>

<p>Thanks!!</p>

<p>Ron Paul2008</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-97714</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are sort of right in saying this statement &quot;High quality societies require high quality populations.&quot;  You seem to be implying something about genetics and you are right that genetics plays a role in the &quot;cultural carrying capacity&quot; (my self-invented terminology) that a particular human population can maintain.  But it is significantly more complex than that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another important factor is that Norway is very a homogeneous society.  They tend to be very white and almost all are non-religious and those that are religious tend to be Lutherans.  Everyone feels very much on the same team.  Thus there is more incentives to cooperate.  It is an unfortunate fact that in non-homogeneous societies, there is less cooperation and more suspicion and less social cohesion, and from an evolutionary genetics point of view this makes sense (you don&#039;t feel kinship bonds with your fellow citizens anymore, rather you feel like you are in competition with &quot;others&quot;.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are sort of right in saying this statement &#8220;High quality societies require high quality populations.&#8221;  You seem to be implying something about genetics and you are right that genetics plays a role in the &#8220;cultural carrying capacity&#8221; (my self-invented terminology) that a particular human population can maintain.  But it is significantly more complex than that.</p>

<p>Another important factor is that Norway is very a homogeneous society.  They tend to be very white and almost all are non-religious and those that are religious tend to be Lutherans.  Everyone feels very much on the same team.  Thus there is more incentives to cooperate.  It is an unfortunate fact that in non-homogeneous societies, there is less cooperation and more suspicion and less social cohesion, and from an evolutionary genetics point of view this makes sense (you don&#8217;t feel kinship bonds with your fellow citizens anymore, rather you feel like you are in competition with &#8220;others&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-shining-example-of-socialism-and-why-america-cant-compete/comment-page-1#comment-250160</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are sort of right in saying this statement &quot;High quality societies require high quality populations.&quot;  You seem to be implying something about genetics and you are right that genetics plays a role in the &quot;cultural carrying capacity&quot; (my self-invented terminology) that a particular human population can maintain.  But it is significantly more complex than that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another important factor is that Norway is very a homogeneous society.  They tend to be very white and almost all are non-religious and those that are religious tend to be Lutherans.  Everyone feels very much on the same team.  Thus there is more incentives to cooperate.  It is an unfortunate fact that in non-homogeneous societies, there is less cooperation and more suspicion and less social cohesion, and from an evolutionary genetics point of view this makes sense (you don&#039;t feel kinship bonds with your fellow citizens anymore, rather you feel like you are in competition with &quot;others&quot;.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are sort of right in saying this statement &#8220;High quality societies require high quality populations.&#8221;  You seem to be implying something about genetics and you are right that genetics plays a role in the &#8220;cultural carrying capacity&#8221; (my self-invented terminology) that a particular human population can maintain.  But it is significantly more complex than that.</p>

<p>Another important factor is that Norway is very a homogeneous society.  They tend to be very white and almost all are non-religious and those that are religious tend to be Lutherans.  Everyone feels very much on the same team.  Thus there is more incentives to cooperate.  It is an unfortunate fact that in non-homogeneous societies, there is less cooperation and more suspicion and less social cohesion, and from an evolutionary genetics point of view this makes sense (you don&#8217;t feel kinship bonds with your fellow citizens anymore, rather you feel like you are in competition with &#8220;others&#8221;.)</p>
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